Went and zeroed my new rifle today and took it out to 1,000 yards.
Apparently, it your Buttler Creek cap it touching the forearm of a XLR chassis, it will be about a 3 MOA gun. $30 in ammo later, my lesson was learned. D'oh!
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Went and zeroed my new rifle today and took it out to 1,000 yards.
Apparently, it your Buttler Creek cap it touching the forearm of a XLR chassis, it will be about a 3 MOA gun. $30 in ammo later, my lesson was learned. D'oh!
Had the spouse zero her 9mm carbine , consistent hits @ 50. Likewise for my JRC carbine. The daughter using her 357 lever and boyfriends 223 was knocking it out of the park, @ 150 & 200yds.
Shot everything in sight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHaZW7Z6PuM
Nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by ZERO THEORY
Agreed! Thanks for the vid!Quote:
Originally Posted by DavieD55
Cheers. I need to start wearing my CO AR patch at matches, 'cause I always see guys in the threads afterwards that I didn't get a chance to meet.
Ouch! That hurts! But thanks for passing that along...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zach O
wha? how is this possible? is the barrel not free floated?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zach O
that's pretty weird, man.
It is free floating, but it was wedged between the scope and the forearm tube on an XLR chassis. I was all over till I took it out. It was wedged fairly tight, well, tight enough to completely ruin my day!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBelly
Man that looks like fun. I haven't had enough trigger time lately to think that I'd be good at it. But, I think it's time to get off my azz and get to a match.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZERO THEORY
That is a nice run you put together at the match.
I spent part of my Saturday teaching kids firearm safety and basics at our range. All in all a very fulfilling class.
Viper PST is how it happens, they are somewhat known to be sensitive to torque on the rings, ring alignment, and other things like that. Then consider that if the scope was zeroed before putting the caps on, then putting it on slightly torquing on the scope, throws it off. (don't know if zeroing was done before the caps or not)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBelly
Great scopes for the money, and I'm not trying to bag on them (I own 2 of them) but this issue is known and Vortex will tell you that certain ring companies that tell you to torque the snot out of their rings will/can cause issues.
Curious what rings you're running? I have a PST coming this week and an XLR on order. Haven't bought ring yet and would like to avoid similar issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by XC700116
I'm not running an XLR currently (going to be running a Carbon on my next build) I'm just familiar with Zach's rig. On my 2 PST's (both on AR's ) I'm running a Larue and a Burris PEPR. Biggest thing is not to go crazy on the torque (there's a select couple of very high end ring mfg's that recommend extremely high torque).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooskibar03
If you go by Kyles reccomendations on his webpage about ring selection, you should be able to avoid getting into this position as far as height goes. http://www.xlrindustries.com/Technical.html
Err to the high side by a bit, and then go with a good set of rings and a good 1 piece base and you'll have no problems. Nice thing about the XLR and other Chassis systems is the adjustable cheek piece, if you end up a little on the high side, it's not a big deal. I'd guess you'd be just fine with med or high rings on top of a NF or similar 20moa base.
If you haven't bought a base yet, bullets.com has a great deal running on NF bases for rem 700's and savages right now. $90 is a damn good price on them. I ordered one last night for my build in process. http://www.bullets.com/search?s=brand:nightforce
That is a good deal. I ordered the same from optics planet and it was $116. I'll head over to XLR site for tips.
That's the spirit. PM me and we can try to get a member squad going at a local match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big John
Its the Warne tactical steel high rings on a one piece 20 MOA base. The cap was on when I torqued it down to 25 in/lbs. It was not the equipment. I just goofed up and overlooked a critical step. All is well now. It was shooting 1/2 MOA with factory Hornady match ammo. Thanks for fielding questions XC700116niner!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooskibar03
Ahhh that'll do it too hahahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zach O
I'm bummed I couldn't get away today but yesterday was beautiful. I've had a bunch of project guns sitting in the basement all winter just waiting for a good day to take them out, so Friday was full-auto Friday for me. Had a blast shooting off several of my conversions. My new MP5SD clone has quickly jumped into my top 5 guns of all time to shoot, for just blasting away anyway. Almost no rise, and nicely quiet using just cheap WWB 9mm. Felt good to get out to the range after it's been so cold lately.
Took two of my girls to the range. Shot some pistol, then moved to the 308. The 16 year old daughter won Starbucks by beating me 😀. Very happy losing to her .74 inch five shot group at 100.
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Had some troubles with the newest ar, but the boys at trigger time did some complimentary troubleshooting and after some light gas tube sanding it's running nicely now.
Made up some drills. Shot them. Got tired. I might need to find a tactical cane or something to help me get up off the ground.
Fun day!
http://youtu.be/K7redoPVPs8
Wife n I went out for some bow and clays and .22 yesterday for my "burfday". It was a relaxing time for sure! ...been waaay to long since I've been out.
You're in luck, i have a camo one. I prefer black myself, less light reflection.Quote:
Originally Posted by jhood001
Went out for some much needed trigger time on a couple of handguns today. Weather was awesome. First time I have fired a live round since probably last August.
Fired a total of 400 rounds. Didn't start out so well. A lot of my shots were going about three inches left as I often tend to do. Decided to do a little experimenting. What I found was that if I slowed down, took my time, focused on the front sight, and squeezed the trigger everything was going left. If I totally ignored the sights, focused on and pointed at my target, and sped things up then all of my shots were tight and in the center where I was pointing. Isn't this the opposite of how things are supposed to go? Four hundred rounds gave me plenty of time to switch back and forth between "proper technique" and just pointing and burning rounds off. Never changed. The more I tried to do it right, I just kept shooting left. When I would just point and shoot everything was good.
I'm going to try my new technique (or lack thereof) next time there's an IDPA match and see what happens.
I recently went through the exact same exercise. The next match there were a lot of point-shoot distance targets. I had never thought of targets like that before, but once I got into that mentality, I was really able to open up my speed and placed 3rd over all. There was still a significant gap between me and 1st and 2nd place though. It's amazing how much you can cut down your time when you aren't hunting for sights. I want to say that the point-shoot distance (for me) is anything out to 7 yards? I had to be shown that I could do that. I wouldn't have even thought to try that technique on my own.Quote:
Originally Posted by ray1970
*Pretty sure a few of the top spot shooters also were not there last match.
load testing in .308. I found some 168gr AMAX to tide me over until the shipment of 175gr BTHPs show up.
believe it or not, they go pretty slow out of a 16" barrel. 2415fps average speed, actually.... I think I can throw faster than that!
I went to a rifle match Saturday. I shot my new-ish AKA-Spook built 6 Grendel. With minimal load development I had what I thought was going to be a pretty solid load.
The first string was prone, the two small targets were a 3x5 and a 5 inch round plate at 300 yards. I had three misses. I added two clicks of elevation and went on to clean the rest of the match. I guess spending a lot of time shooting my air rifle kneeling and off sticks in my basement paid off. Having a crazy accurate gun does not hurt either...
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Originally Posted by Hoser
I wish I could kneel again. Enjoy it while you can.
ETA: I've got quite the love affair with tripods and shooting sticks these days. As an old instructor of mine would say: "Get off your damn stomach! You will NEVER encounter a prone shot in the real world, you a$$hole!"
800mg of Motrin when I wake up on match day and another 800 on the way home. Lots of stretching helps as does having the left knee rebuilt already.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBelly
I go to the carpenter to get it fixed in a little bit. Things that used to move are about to not move ever again. ugh! Again, I really love shooting sticks and tripods!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoser
Worked down (not up) some loads today trying to find the how little powder I could use and still get all my ARs to cycle.
Working with 55gr boolits and H335.
18.3 gr seemed to be just about the lowest I could go and still keep everything functioning. Below that, I had function issues and and the accuracy went out the window. With 18.3 gr I was still shooting just about 1 MOA. When I dropped to 17.9 gr, I only had 2/5 on the paper plate and I had to manually cycle the gun because the bolt wasn't going far enough back to catch the next round.
I tried to make it to the range last Sunday morning, but I had to turn around after driving two blocks from my house, when my car hit a sheet of black ice --- here in the North East --- and slid 50 feet without crashing into anything.
Last Saturday, I did some trigger time shooting my Mas 49/56 in 308 --- with my newly purchased titanium firing pin --- and had fun shooting my metallic cowbell target offhand at 50 yards with my .177 RWS Model 54 recoilless at 50 yards.
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Project I have been working on. Shot a 88 with my cast bullets and yanking the trigger at 50 feet.
Made it out with my new Bighorn/Chanlynn/XLR 260 for the first time. Headed to Chaffee with friends and confirmed everything, then ran timed drills from 285y to 560y on steel. Also practiced some positional drills at the same ranges. New rig shoots like a dream! Even stretched out to 1030y and hit a bowling pin sized target 3 outta 5 times. Gotta love an all Colorado made rifle!
Took the family out to Ben Lomond. My wife is scary good with a Glock. Got my six year old son shooting his little Savage Rascal. He keeps getting better. Gotta pass it on.
Just a great day.
Watching a few guys last weekend shoot their 223 bolt guns made me get the itch to yank off the 300 Whisper barrel off my Bighorn action and screw on the 223 Ackley barrel.
I had not done much load development with it, pretty much just fireformed brass. 223 Ackley and 300 Whisper both feed flawless out of Accuracy International 223 mags.
I went to the range with a bunch of test loads. 24.5 - 26.5 gns of Varget under a 80 gn Sierra. I wanted to try Varget because I have a lot of it.
The 26.5 gn load easily put 5 shots inside 1/3 of an inch at 100 yards. It chronographed out at 3010 fps with a low ES.
Going to load up a small batch and see how they shoot at 400 yards.
How did it shoot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoser
Didnt make it to the range today. Stuck in the reloading room teaching reloading 101 to a friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim K
Shot my first 20 10mm reloads thru my new KKM barrel. And 20 .380 reloads thru wife's sig and my Glock 42. All went well. Wife liked the lower recoil of the reloads. Not one single issue.
Hoser, this new match of yours is PERFECT for a 223 semi auto. Don't need much more for 300 yards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoser
I am seeing more matches for semi auto lately ... raton SRM, T3 may have semi auto match this year, your new match. My JP is going to get a workout this year! [Beer]