Your sarcasm detector is broken, Kev! If I were to buy one of these, it'd definitely be the .243.Quote:
Originally Posted by offgrid
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Your sarcasm detector is broken, Kev! If I were to buy one of these, it'd definitely be the .243.Quote:
Originally Posted by offgrid
I'll crank up my detector a couple notches. Thought I was doing OK though with "yank" and "fine ass!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim K
All kidding aside, good to see a factory offering with a 8 twist 6mm. I too would definitely get the 243.
The 243 twist is billed as 1:7.7" Looking forward to getting it out to shoot.
Had the 6.5 out at Pawnee Sportsman's Center. First 4 groups are are at 100 yards w/ Hornady 120 grain AMAXs. I haven't been shooting enough, but the groups tightened up with more trigger time. 7 shots in the center were me adding the blackout suppressor mount, then adding the SDN6.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...ps29ivqytr.jpg
I switched from the 120 grain AMAX to the 140 grainers and shot this 5 shot group at 200 yards. Not shabby for the 2nd time out with the rifle and factory ammo. (my 2 year old started coloring on it)
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...pse1ssqjdi.jpg
In all seriousness, why 6mm (.243) over 6.5? I (like everyone else) have been looking for a 6.5 creedmor, mainly so that I could go with a heavier bullet.
Less recoil so you can spot your hits/misses. Barrel life is about the same and 6mm bullets are a tad bit cheaper than 6.5 bullets and a lot cheaper than 308 bullets.Quote:
Originally Posted by ferrum
Heavy bullets are ok, but I want light bullets with a high bc.
For a prone only match on paper targets like an F-Class (600-1,000 yards) match, I am using 215-230 gn bullets in my 308.
Call me crazy, but I want the ability to hunt with mine. 6.5 is on the small side...IMO.
I fantasize doing the same, but I think others may be right, it's a bit too gussied up and heavy for a true hunting type rifle even if you keep it to only a scope..
"True hunting rifle" definitely not, but if u can lug it around why not? This is similar to the ar10 and hunting conversation. I can shoot this a lot better than my 7mm mag. And the kill pictures w/ the rpr should be pretty cool. Not about to sell the 7 mag though..
Here it is. Now to take it out: (There's some TimK work in that shot :-)
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Your crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunoholic
Bullet construction and placement trump bullet diameter.
What Hoser said. The LR games many of us play are heavily weighted towards long shots from truly screwed up positions. Spotting your impacts is one of the keys to success. The reduced recoil of the 6's is a real edge when trying to stay on target during the recoil cycle, and it comes at a very modest price (if any) in BC and performance in the wind. If I owned two rifles, one would for certain be a 6mm. I'll likely stay with the 6.5's as long as I only have just one if for no other reason than I have all the reloading crap and despise load development. I also think I might someday hunt, and the heavier bullet seems a better choice (like I know beans about hunting!).
Get out and shoot that thing, Scratch. I'm interested to see what is what.
My "call me crazy" comment was in reference to hunting with the rpr (not really pertaining to the caliber). Then I was referring to 6.5 being on the small side for me "IMO". I'm well aware of the importance of shot placement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoser
I handled on this evening. .243 $1299. walked away from it. still sad. timing just wrong right now.
A little bit on the high end, but you are also way out there.
Good info guys. This helps me a lot.
Thanks!
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Originally Posted by scratchy
Looks nice, you forgot to put the suppressor on for the pic. ??
Sadly, I now need to purchase a suppressor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
[panic] I "hope" it's another month, possibly 2 before my TBA U7 gets here. ROAD TESTQuote:
Originally Posted by scratchy
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New Seekins Precision Rail and muzzle break for the RPR
Note. Not my Stick.
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Dammit you guys and your fancy guns... makes me want one now.
Sweet!! Central range this Sunday? :):)Quote:
Originally Posted by scratchy
Gonna make a good hard try. Yep.
Walked in to Sportsmans on 84th/I-25 just looking not buying, seen a RPR in 6.5 on the rack I blacked out [panic]next thing I know I'm driving home with it. So now I have to wait for a scope and ammo, because this was not planned.
Just took my rpr in 6.5 to 1000 yards today. Jumped from 600 to 1k. I was on paper the second shot and pretty stoked keeping it in the black.
Put about 140 rounds through it all factory ammo, still waiting for my Redding VLD seating stem (backordered). So far very happy and no problems at all.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...d.jpg~original
Hornady 140gr A-Max 5 shots@ 100yds (one flyer)
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...a.jpg~original
Win 140gr BTHP MATCH 7 shots@ 100yds (one flyer)
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...7.jpg~original
If you had your choice between the .308 and 6.5 Creedmore which would you choose and why?
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.243 Winchester, Burris XTRII 4-20 in Warne mount, Atlas bipod.
Theres a like dedicated .308 vs 6.5 thread in this subforum and earlier in this thread.
Comes down to some of your current logistics and what you want to do.
.308 nice if you already have .308 and/or reload it. Always be able to find cheaper surplus and while the rifle a bit heavy for it could theoretically hunt w/ it. Does have the shorter barrel (and consequently handguard)
6.5 is hands down the better extreme range precision shooter. If you dont reload the match ammo is I think actually cheaper than .308. So far this is what most people have posted the most impressive results with.
Thanks. I'll look for that thread.
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I'm leaning towards the .308 since i now have everything but the bullets. I'm another fan of the XTR II . Have one on the AR and IF i can wheel & deal ;) will have one lined up for the RPR. Now to sell more "treasures" to fund another projectQuote:
Originally Posted by MarkCO
If you have everything but the bullets, you are also set-up for .243Win. :) There are a lot of advantages to the .243Win worth considering. If you look at the performance, you will see that the .243, at least to 600 yards, is performing as good if not better than the 6.5CM and way ahead of the .308. True, the bigger bullets have more energy at range and if you are looking past 1000 yards, the 6.5CM is likely a better choice.
26" fast twist barrel is some of the benefit of course. But lower cost and recoil is a plus with the .243. If you look at cost per round fired and factoring in 3 barrels for the .243, the total cost is actually a tad less for the .243, and barrel prices will likely drop as the competition and aftermarket catches up.
I've heard the .243 vs .308 debate a lot.
Is .243 as available as .308?
Will .243 be "enough" for North America hunting?
Why is it considered "better"? (Flatter shooting?)
I've never really looked into .243
As cheap bulk ammo, no the .243 is not as available as .308 ammo. But then who is going to buy a precision rig and shoot mil-surp in it? As for the actual rifle, I got 10% off on the .243 because it had been sitting. The shop told me the requests have almost all been for .308. The .243 is not a .308 when it comes to game. While I have hunted with my LR .260Rem rig, it was for Pronghorn and Deer sitting in a spot or walking on flat ground. The .243 to me is marginal for elk, but if you are skilled and patient, yes, it is sufficient. Not what I would recommend for sure. Faster and flatter means your error in range and wind estimation has less effect, slightly less, but still enough to consider. For some, flatter also lets them cheap out on glass and worry less about the edge and dialing affects.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBear
Is it better? No. Better for some, maybe, but that depends on the shooter, the skill, the budget, the target and the round count even. I will admit my first rifle was a .243 and I have a lot of rounds downrange with .243Win. I have probably shot 50 head of big game with the .243Win as well, but this will largely be for target shooting. I have shot similar groups with my .243Win sporter weight rifle to my LR precision rig in .260 and .308. We will see what this one does. If it sucks, I can easily rebarrel it. That is one beauty of the RPR...if you have a set of gauges and an AR15 wrench, you can rebarrel at home. :)
I am kind of glad I don't have the funds for one yet as I cannot decide on a caliber.
That is one of the benefits of the RPR. There are going to be TO barrels a plenty soon. I have seen 1 for $200 and one for $250. Also there are 3 companies in process for aftermarket barrels and at least one is already selling them. Much less to rebarrel than most of the options on the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by newracer
Concise, thanks MarkCO.
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Originally Posted by newracer
And that's for me the issue. Knowing there are TO bbls, having the tools on hand makes a solid choice somewhat muddy. I'm still leaning .308, but that could change if like you a deal comes along on a .243. A good deal puts a TO, or aftermarket, bbl still within budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkCO
I am leaning towards 6.5 Creedmoore.
I'm torn on handguard length, the .308 one which I have ordered is shorter. Wondering if that'll suck if/when I swap barrels to 6.5 or any other caliber. (Or even a longer .308 someday)