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Sign ups to speak begin at 5pm. I'm getting there at 4:50pm.
I have a feeling that'll be way too late. I'm sure there'll be plenty of supporters of the law lining up hours in advance to fill it up completely with their drivel.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxy
Edit: Also, the attorney's pretty much admitted this is to target law-abiding citizens.
"If you look at most of the mass shootings, the guns were purchased legally. I see this as an ordinance that throws in one more barrier to someone who's contemplating such a horrible act."
Gonna go straight from work then! [panic]Quote:
Originally Posted by RblDiver
Tom Carr on KUNC this morning:
http://www.kunc.org/post/boulder-may...ssault-weapons
Tom Carr on KUNC this morning:
http://www.kunc.org/post/boulder-may...ssault-weapons
You note that they haven't deviated from using the term "Assault Weapon". If you're going to speak, you need to keep saying "All semiautomatifc rifles and handguns, the firearm that most commonly used for self-defense" over and over.
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Extractions from the proposed ordnance-
Definitions:
Illegal weapon means an assault weapon, large-capacity magazine, multi-burst trigger activator, blackjack, gas gun, metallic knuckles, gravity knife or switchblade knife.
Large-capacity magazine means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(b) A 22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
5-8-10. – Possession and Sale of Illegal Weapons.
(a) No person shall knowingly possess or sell or otherwise transfer an illegal weapon.
(b) The defendant's knowledge that the weapon was illegal is not an aspect of knowledge required for violation of this section.
(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to forbid any person:
(1) Holding a Federal Firearms License issued by the United States Government from possession of any firearm authorized pursuant to such license;
(2) From possessing a weapon for which the United States Government has issued a stamp or permit pursuant to the National Firearms Act;
(3) Who is a competitive shooter from possessing a weapon necessary to compete, provided that the weapon is registered with the Boulder Police Department
pursuant to Section 5-8-28, “Assault Weapons,” B.R.C. 1981;
(4) From possessing a handgun magazine so long as the possession of the handgun
and magazine are in compliance with state law; or
(5) Selling an illegal weapon to a person identified in Section 5-8-25, “Exemptions
from this Chapter,” B.R.C. 1981.
(d) Nothing in this section shall be deemed to apply to any firearm that has been modified
either to render it permanently inoperable or to permanently make it not an assault
weapon.
(e) Nothing in this section shall be deemed to restrict a person's ability to travel with a
weapon in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance for hunting or
for lawful protection of a person's or another's person or property while traveling into,
though, or within, the City of Boulder, regardless of the number of times the person
stops in the City of Boulder.
Items C4 and E bolded above are especially interesting.
Left my commentsQuote:
Originally Posted by boxy
Wait, they're banning switchblades with it?
Boulder codes are filled with all sorts of outdated old crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by waffles
So if you have an SBR with your stamp, that's ok . . . but the 16" AR right next to it in the safe also owned by you is not.
Makes sense.
It all started with cigarettes and moving onto guns. Its a social experiment to see what they can do to get banned. And now when people clutch their pearls about someone smoking they know they won and want to do the same thing with guns. Mayor Handcock said they want people to hate guns as much as they do smokers.
So who publishes the map with the checkerboard of knife & gun laws that vary from state law?
But remember, you're responsible enough to own that heavily Federally regulated firearm, but any mag over 10 rounds is too dangerous!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramsker
If the council does pass the ordinance one thing that can be done is to boycott all Boulder businesses. Don't Buy Boulder! Besides the publicity, it will deny the city some of their precious tax money. Boulder has a $3 million shortfall for their next budget and they are worried about how they can afford to hire 11 new employees for their already bloated city staff. Make it cost them.
I already don't buy Boulder. Guess I'm ahead of my time.
Me too....and didn't know it until you pointed it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by izzy
Any news from the front?
So far based on the mugs in the crowd the vast majority is pro gun though I believe the council is going to pass something regardless of what happens tonight. The building and all of the overflow rooms are full and they are directing people over to the library.
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Even a guy with a sign saying "Hippies for gun rights"
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Give that hippie a medal![Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
You could also remind them that the technology is over 100 years old. First used in 1885 to be precise.Quote:
Originally Posted by O2HeN2
Interesting, opening speaker.said concealed carry is allowed.in yhe building and she requested that any concealed weapons.remain that way.
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City attorney is a moron. While commenting on a photo of a plain jane 10/22 a council member asked why it would be banned and he said it had a pistol grip.
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Appreciate the play by play def.
Seriously, thank you.
Thanks!
For background, the City Attorney, Tom Carr, grew up in the Bronx and came to Boulder with the following biography:
Carr has served assistant U.S. attorney for New York's eastern district, and he was Seattle's city attorney from 2003 to 2009. He earned his law degree from New York Law School and a bachelor's degree in sociology from St. John's University.
A true firearms expert!
And did anyone say anything after that?Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
That doesn't really mean anything. Most people here don't have firearm specific stuff on their school or work resumes either. Not saying I don't agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by .455_Hunter
Its probably hoping against hope, but maybe there is enough intelligence on the Council to realize this not as cut and dried as Grano and Carr present it to be.
My thought is there is a strong possibility he has never handled let alone fired a gun in his lifetime based on that resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
[hahhah-no]Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
When I heard the City's Attorney ask not to be laughed at, I knew it was going downhill.
Some background on newbie Councilwoman Grano (per her campaign website):
I am the mother of two young boys, Ryder and Treker, both of whom help inform my vision for the future of our community. I moved to Boulder 11 years ago after completing my degree in Political Science at The College of William & Mary. I quickly fell in love with Boulder's natural beauty, creative spirit and commitment to the environment. My first year here I taught civics at The Watershed School where I engaged with my students in community issues and volunteered with Meals on Wheels. Later, I joined the Board of New Era Colorado where I served for five years registering voters, fighting for marriage equality and campaigning for Local Power. Through New Era I helped launch a campaign to reduce disposable bags. That campaign resulted in our bag fee ordinance, which has prevented thousands of bags from entering our landfill.
My family has been in Boulder and/or Boulder County since 1954. I really don't appreciate some progressive do-gooder who just moved here and knows how to work the social circles targeting my family's lifestyle.
Someone is afraid of furniture.Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
I agree with BP, thanks for the info def.
Just using talking points poured into their hollow melons by Giffords & Co.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Back in 2012 when the elected officials were openly ignoring everyone speaking their opinions (what's her face was just browsing her tablet the whole time from what I remember). It'd be interesting to occasionally ask board members to recap some points made by citizens to put them on the spot if they are paying attention or not.
Of course they are! The ruling class doesn't give a shit what the peasants think unless it's an election year AND they are in a close race. Otherwise your opinion, facts and logic don't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
A buddy is there and texted me that he feels there is some very good representation there on our side.
Hope it makes a difference this go around.
After going through the magazine goat fuck in 2012 I had no desire to sit through another one.
A lot of self proclaimed liberals, liberal gun club members and even a LGBQ gun club member standing up for their rights. So far the antis are just reading letters sent in by victims of shootings, no actual statements of their own.
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Good to hear, on both points.Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
Saw this on another forum. He makes very good points and nails it as to how I feel every time there is a shooting. Too bad he could not be a speaker in Boulder next week.
https://youtu.be/vo_X53dNTS8
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