That C-17 is based up here at JBLM. I feel really bad for the crew.
The people willing to risk something like that likely know that they'll be tortured to death by the Taliban, so they take their chances.
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That C-17 is based up here at JBLM. I feel really bad for the crew.
The people willing to risk something like that likely know that they'll be tortured to death by the Taliban, so they take their chances.
Maybe Biden will protest by having the US boycott the Kabul Olympics. [ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
I see ZERO chance of that happening. There is no support on either side of the aisle for spending more blood and treasure anywhere in the Middle East, much less Afghanistan. You really think the democrats who clutched their pearls at the notion of Trump taking out an Iranian general would really support an escalation? No way, no day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric P
^^^^ This right here.Quote:
And I can't give anymore fucks for this shithole than thier own citizens do. 20 years, a whole generation, to build a national defense force with modern arms. But a bunch cavemen come and the drop arms and run. Why should we fight for them?
I mean, this is what they wanted, right? The Afghan people WANTED this to happen, didn't they? We gave them every chance to fight the Taliban for 20 years and they chose to either sit on the sidelines or actively aid the Taliban.
They wanted the US out? Well they got it. Salaam Aleiekum, motherfuckers. It's your shithole again, wallow in it. [Mad]
so..About ashraf ghani.
if he abandoned his post as a president and run away to UAE with millions of dollars in cash, it is considered treason?
(if not , it should be)
Every politician in Afghanistan had two choices: Either join the Taliban in advance and help with the takeover from the "inside", or get the hell out of dodge. Not defending the guy, but it's the ones that didn't run that are more treasonous.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPrena
Get em before they're gone
https://tshirtatlowprice.com/products/kabul-skydiving-club-t-shirt/
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(almost) Everyone agreed we needed out of there. No question there. But the Biden admin f'ed it up big-time. They took a fairly solid plan and utterly destroyed it.
Then there's this. The world and especially our allies are pissed. It's not just the folks getting ready to lose their heads via Taliban in Afghanistan that are going to suffer from this f'up, our diplomatic relationships are.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...rophe-n1470917
In all fairness, the Europeans deserve this. I know a lot of Europeans, and 90% of the were Trump haters and now (at least as of last week) Biden worshippers. They wanted Biden. Now they get to see what happens when they get what they wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
+ eleventy brazillians on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDT951
They wanted Trump gone in the worst way.
And they got it.
They also pissed and moaned and filled their little diapers when we took out a brutal, sadistic dictator who was threatening their backyard so as far as I'm concerned, they can own all the shit that will now come their way. Don't like it? Then build up your military to our levels.
Just goes to show you how things come full circle, doesn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by battlemidget
Remember that song that was popular at the beginning of the war in Afghanistan?
"LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR!" [Beer]
got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxtArt
just read some Karzai article about him talking to Taliban today.
The good news is it's pretty cheep to get a flight out. The US is only charging citizens $2,000 or more each.
https://af.usembassy.gov/security-al...20per%20person
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U.S. lawful permanent residents may submit a repatriation assistance request, and their request will be considered depending on availability.
Flight Costs: Repatriation flights are not free, and passengers will be required to sign a promissory loan agreement and may not be eligible to renew their U.S. passports until the loan is repaid. The cost may be $2,000USD or more per person.
Sounds cheaper to just “not be a citizen..”
Clearly sending out smoke to hide the issue since very few will make it to the airport.
As a veteran of both campaigns (although all my OIF time was spent in Kuwait) this sums up my feelings nicely:
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You know it's too bad we abandoned Bagram. That sure would have been useful to get Americans to safety...
Biden and his admin are truly retarded.
What a cluster f....
That’s a good one. I can imagine what the Afghan vets are feeling. Seeing what happened in Iraq in Sinjar and the Yzidi people succumb to those pieces of human waste, isis was heart breaking. The VA has been hot to cover their asses with the emails. I don’t remember getting those emails for Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinjmpr
Should have pulled our people out before the military. Not surprised that Biden got it backward.
Modern politicians would have reacted like this to Ashraf Ghani making it out with millions...
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My older son is currently deployed not too far away from this shitshow. Our chats talk about everything but the situation right now. I'll be curious to hear what he has to say when he gets home in a few months. I agree with the posts here about getting our people out before pulling the troops-pretty obvious to everyone but the morons in DC.
The plan was to pull citizens out before the rest of the troops. But that was Trump's plan so it was obviously bad. They promptly threw that in the garbage.
I'm kinda starting to wonder if they screwed this up so bad on purpose so they could blame it all on Trump to really show the world how bad he is. But they even screwed that up. The media didn't even fall for it.
Yikes Doc45, all the best to the family, it'll be fine! Very tense times out there for many folks with family members stuck there.
New York has 3 major airports in the immediate area, Chicago has about the same and The West Coast has a ton. We have a shit-load of airports and they are well placed.
Afghanistan has 2. There are many thousands of US civilians to evacuate and things are bottlenecked by Taliban checkpoints in places. It is really interesting to watch live air traffic in the area. KC-10 and KC-135 aircraft orbiting east of Kabul and lots of re-fuel flights out of Dubai.
Worth checking out a few times a day. Add 10 1/2 hr, local time. flight radar24
Not without trying, I seen an article today, I didn’t read, but the headline was “did trump withdraw plan tie Bidnes hands?”Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
Trump's exit plan was conditional. Certain conditions had to met for our full withdrawal. The Biden Whitehouse went full retard on the situation, and everyone knows it. The media trying to provide cover for the Administration looks more obviously biased against telling the truth than ever. It's not difficult for people to understand what being abandoned by your own government feels like.
I need help understanding something. I really do not get it.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/taliba...with-us-source
"He told me yesterday they hung three [Afghan National Army] commanders that they had found," he said. "And that close to the place that he’s hiding, they’re going house-to-house and that they sent a transmission out saying they had plans for the people that operated with America."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/13/asia/...hnk/index.html
"Over clear but unsteady video, the words ring out: "Surrender, commandos, surrender." Several men emerge from a building; they are clearly unarmed.
Gunfire erupts. At least a dozen men are seen shot to death amid cries of "Allahu Akhbar" -- God is Great.
The victims were members of an Afghan Special Forces unit: their executioners, the Taliban. The summary killings took place on June 16 in the town of Dawlat Abad in Faryab province, close to Afghanistan's border with Turkmenistan."
What I don't get.
If you know you are going to be killed if you were part of the Afghan Army / police / special forces etc, why would you surrender? Why surrender your cities?
If I knew that I was going to be executed and /or tortured to death, I wouldn't surrender. I would rather go down taking as many out as possible. Why did the Afgans simply surrender ? They know their fate. They know the Taliban will execute anyone who they think was helpful to the USA. Why not go down fighting?
Maybe they didn't watch Red Dawn? Joking aside, look how many problems partisans caused to the Germans in WW2. If Taliban were sniped when they stood at check points or blocked intersection, the wouldn't be so bold.
The SAS is leaving the airport to extract British citizens. They have fewer than 1,000 troops in Afghanistan.
The French military is leaving the airport to extract citizens. They have fewer troops than the Brits.
But Austin says the US doesn't have the capability. BS.
It is absolutely SHAMEFUL that US commanders will not allow any of our 5,000+ troops to go out and get our people. I'm sure that sucks for those guys. They would go get our people in a heartbeat and kill anyone that gets in their way if they could just get the green light. This is bullshit.
What's really stopping our 5,000 troops from extracting our people?
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Originally Posted by Irving
https://youtu.be/P-DCgzFbo_o
Because the admin is worried American soldiers will get killed if they let them leave the airport. This is a political nightmare already, it'd be 100x worse if American soldiers were killed trying to clean it up. Think Blackhawk down but worse.
This is 100% political. They are leaving Americans to fend for themselves to avoid possible additional bad press.
What difference does it make?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Sorry guys, let's get back to calling Afghans cowards for not fighting for their country and country men.
But hey! Who signed this contract? BWHAAHAA KMAG YOYO!
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/upl...n-02.29.20.pdf
Should we have stayed longer?
Would that have changed the outcome (more or less)?
It was never gonna be pretty. Leaving Afghanistan has been long overdue. I believe it was bound to be a mess anyway we look at it. Mess today, mess tomorrow or a mess next year. A slow protracted withdrawal would have still ended up with the Taliban back in control and driving Humvee's.
Lots of Monday Morning Quarterbacking. If this thread goes long enough, I am sure it will end up being Hillary's fault somehow.
You'd fit right in with DC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delfuego
Just tell us to accept the shit show as inevitable and never admit it was mismanaged or that anything could have been done better. It was 4 or 5 days ago anyway, right?
I guess his cognitive meds didn't work today. No word on him being 30mins late to his scheduled speech addressing this disaster.
"Back in my day, we didn't have any towel bans, if you didn't want to wear a towel you just dropped your towel and all the kids could see your hairy legs. It was blond hair, glistening from the pool. You didn't need any shorts either. They used to point and say 'hey look it's a hairy weasel', but come on man, it's just a towel ban, put your weasel away" -- Biden talking to his assistants
"We're going to need another 30 minutes" -- Assistant
Did somebody got suicided? [Coffee]Quote:
Originally Posted by Delfuego
Time to watch old movies with Shirley Temple
Decent questions from the MSM for once. This is so bad not even the media is willing to cover for him.
The state dept agreement with the Tally Ban. We agreed to not leave the airport, they agreed to let Americans with passports get to the airport. This was the source of the blowup between 82nd airborne commander at the airport and Brit commander leaving the airport to rescue Brit/Irish citizens and helping Afghans. 82nd commander pissed off that the Brits would endanger the agreement. I say good on the Brit commander (and French commander too).Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
My friend in Arkansas was suicided. I can post a link later.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellavite1