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Yeah, like Trump made Mexico pay for the border wall.
OT FWIW, tomorrow evening before the State of the Union address our local Republican caucus will be held.
Awesome plane.
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Originally Posted by kidicarus13
Yeah, like Trump made Mexico pay for the border wall.
OT FWIW, tomorrow evening before the State of the Union address our local Republican caucus will be held.
Awesome plane.
My thoughts exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hummer
Putin is losing it. People around him are realizing it, he's paranoid, unpredictable, isolated and powerful.
Be a good time for a Coup. They say dictators and tyrants thru history end up this way after too many years of power. Delusional at the end.
I certainly feel for the folks in Ukraine, things could get ugly. Pray for Peace!
Sounds like a bunch of the Russian troops had no idea what was up and they got a rude awakening when they entered Ukraine. Some accounts (from captured Russians) say they may have been told they were on a peacekeeping mission. That's not the way to get your army ready for a fight. Their hearts aren't in it. It's not like this was a secret mission, why not tell them the truth and get them ready for battle? Tell them their country's safety is at risk? That their very existence as a nation is at stake? Give them a reason to fight?
Instead Russia told their army they were going on a peacekeeping mission and they went in blind. Major strategic failure there.
This entire event shows how difficult it is to invade a foreign nation. Especially without "softening" it up first. I've seen some videos of Russian foot patrols getting ambushed in residential neighborhoods. It's slow moving for them.
Even Russian citizens are protesting this. Putin has made a major error.
These guys are not draftees (conscripts). They are professionals. They are literally the cream of the crop of the Russian military. They have mobile launchers. Putin owns them. I would not underestimate them. Link below provides interesting information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Rocket_Forces
Was just reading about a 40-mile long Russian convoy sitting on a road just outside of Kyiv. Too bad Ukraine doesn't have a few A-10s...and a shitload of 30mm ammo. They could make the "Highway of Death" look like Hollywood Blvd.
https://www.atncorp.com/ukraine
Our politicians talk a lot but in the end no one is helping Ukraine but Ukrainians!!! A lot of hot air being pushed around by political windbags will do very little. Please Help the fight against Putin!!! If we don't help, our Governments will never Act Decisively!!!
It kinda seems like this whole shit show is only one mistake away from going Full Retard.
(no offense to friends, family of... or actual retarded people)
I've been thinking the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Usually the tactic is to surround the city and cut it off from supplies. Starve it. I fear the Rus leader will nuke it. Since NATO is not going in there with their troops, what does he have to lose? The capital is not what he is after, as others have pointed out, it is the resources he wants. He can claim he saved Europe from the fascists, Nazis, and other imaginary evils.
I am not sure how to deescalate this situation using conventional military strategy and tactics. Maybe bribe his regime to oust him? Average Rus salary is $26,500 per annum. Draftees get paid $30 month. $3000 a month is a great wage in Rus.
Pretty much the entire world is having a meltdown over Putin's actions so far. And rightly so... If he used nukes on a Ukrainian city that would put an end to him and Russia as it exists today. He'd also likely lose a major Russian city in the process. He has a lot to lose.
Nukes (and fear) are the only option the Russians have for projecting their military power around the world (by that I mean anything other than a land battle in Europe). Logistics have ALWAYS been a problem for the Russian military. They have a massive army but they can't move it and support it around the world like we can. Their navy isn't a match for the US navy and the combined navies of the major western countries. Putin won't resort to nukes over Ukraine. If it gets any worse for him they'll find a way to "settle" their differences and he'll withdraw forces in a way to save face. It'll all be BS but that's how it'll be marketed.
Once again the irony. The same people who decry Thoughts and prayers, after a shooting. Are now ....Offering thoughts & prayers, for Ukraine.
It does make a great distraction for the "2022 truck convoy" Since the NG and other agencies have erected fencing around some areas in d.c.
The Simpsons were scary accurate in predicting the future (May 1998 episode):
https://youtu.be/z77JFw2D6f8
LewRockwell.com has article by David Stockman, The Land Where History Died, Part 1.
I recommend reading who he is and what he wrote.
What’s the difference between a ruble & a dollar? A dollar.
I'm not sure he could if he wanted to. As I said earlier, it's not like there's a big red button on Putin's desk that he pushes to launch nukes. There is a chain of command going down from Putin to the guy who actually pushes the button or turns the key. Unless every single person in that chain was a die-hard (literally, as in willing to die) Putin supporter, it's likely that somebody along that chain would put a stop to it before it got to a launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I mean, maybe I'm wrong but this isn't the Cold War where the USSR strictly controlled news going in and out of the country. Every Russian has the ability to know very well what is going on in the world. How many of them are willing to immolate the world to serve Putin's megalomania? Putin may very well be willing to destroy the world to prove he's a tough guy, but unless every general, colonel, captain, sergeant and private all the way down is willing to do so, I don't see it happening.
I read a headline where the newly imposed sanctions against Russia are already having a devastating affect on the Russian economy.
That was fast.
Also, wasn?t their economy pretty much a wreck to begin with?
I suspect Putin is more in the wrong here than in the right. But every day we discover that what we were told yesterday was a lie ( https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/02...-social-media/ ) so I'm not ready to condemn him, nor ready to see his cities nuked, nor ready to duck-and-cover out of fear of his nukes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
The fact that every Democrat, George Soros and the leftist media are so gung ho to condemn Putin and praise Ukraine makes be wonder if we're not being suckered into something nefarious here yet again (WMDs in Iraq, the sinking of the US Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin, "Remember the Maine!" Operation Northwoods*, etc).
*which thankfully never came to fruition ... but can you imagine what would have happened if it had ... we might not be here.
They are trying to 9-11-2000 a failing presidency. War rallies a population behind the president.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
She says he would! I don't doubt him. Putin DGAF
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world-war...184545712.html
That is not far away from saying,Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Has it ever occurred to some of you conspiracy-minded folks that maybe, some actions are so universally evil that people *gasp* can agree despite differing political opinions *gasp*. Evil people live in this world, some of them evil enough to unite idgits in agreement.Quote:
While I suspect the Nazi's might be slightly in the wrong, since the democrats believe the holocausts is real, maybe the holocaust is actually fake news and maybe the Nazi's had a point? Well anyway, we can't rule it out, because the democrats believe the holocaust is real something is likely up, we shouldn't be ready to condemn the Nazis just in case...
I never in my life thought conservatives would "devils advocate" on the side of a KGB-born dictator looking to restore the USSR. When people's justification for their opinions are based on little more than "I need to automatically believe the opposite of people I don't like", that's some kind of logical fallacy that is called "turn off the conspiracy news", and membership to the conservative party should be revoked.
RUSSIANS don't even want to be in Ukraine fighting. Their soldiers largely were told the invasion news was western propaganda until they were shoved in trucks and forced over the border. I have sympathy for the soldiers on the ground, but fuck Putin and anyone who advocates his opinions or parrots his propaganda. (not accusing anyone at this time, just giving perspective)My best wishes, however, to the actual Slavic soldiers on both sides who are forced to fight this bullshit war.
WTF, nothing in his comments were even close to saying that nazi's weren't completely evil....
Thats a bullshit false equivalence argument.
If after the past bunch of years you aren't smart enough to question everything coming from the government and mass media, then you obviously aren't paying attention.
The fact that the media all agrees that Nazis are evil doesn't make the media truthful or accurate on everything else...
I would just use drones and attack the fuel tanker trucks in the 40 mile long convoy. Just sayin'...
The convoy is running out of gas. I wouldn't be surprised if it's half abandoned before long.Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
Oil is over $106 A BARREL. Time to buy a horse.
says the guy who tried tying in the American trucker protest to russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxtArt
I said I don't trust the media coverage of the Ukraine situation and you spin that into me being a Nazi loving conspiracy nutter parroting Putin propaganda?Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxtArt
Your take is bad and you should feel bad.
I agree with the media spin, I have no idea what is going on.
Our media is saying Putin is feeding his people misinformation through social media and news, but….
Picture of Miss Ukraine fighting was fake.
Pictures of their president in battle gear were from 2019.
Road signs misleading tanks were fake.
Pictures of school children learning how to handle guns was old and out of context.
All these pictures of Russian troops walking home.. who the hell knows what is really going on.
Many of the pics I have seen of broken or blown up vehicles is obviously not recent if you look closely.
The list keeps going.
I guess some important dude from Russia was going address the UN and explain Russias reasoning, but everyone walked out and we do not know what he said. I would think based on my reading of The Art of War, everyone should have paid a lot of attention.
Zelensky has delivered some seriously emotional speeches, but he was a successful actor prior to becoming president.
If Putin really wanted to blow shit up, why send such a small percentage of what he had on tap?. Kinda makes the little bit of what he said about why seems plausible.
As of Sunday the death count was supposedly around 300, the death count from COVID in the USA in the same amount of time as conflict was supposedly over 6000, even per capita a much higher percentage of Americans are dying on ventilators than Ukrainians in war based on some simple math.
Oil prices are soaring and Putin is selling oil, so I doubt any sanctions on Russian oligarchs kids out of country tuition are really having much of an impact.
I will admit I am partially retarded and not really following, but everything we are being told about the bad guys seems to be exactly what we are doing.
what ever happened to believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see?
Well the ruble keeps dropping, we can verify that anyway.
And the jackwagon in the WH wants to release from the strategic reserve...that won't help anything and it's an awfully bad idea to reduce our reserve with the world on the edge or war.Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
If Putin has calls on oil and puts on the DJIA, he is making a killing. Nothing surprises me anymore. Only governments can launder money and get away with it. It is really easy when you are the president and own the courts. That is why they call it an oligarchy. It is easy to hide Bitcoin and digital currency when you have nuclear weapons. I believe every .gov is corrupt, regardless of geography. The polits want only two things from us, our money and our vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by clodhopper
I will be in the back yard cutting firewood.
So terribly sad. I feel very bad for the Ukrainians of course, but also for the Russian conscripts who apparently thought they were going to be greeted by cheering crowds and instead walked into a meat grinder. I partly blame our government going all the way back to Bush for mishandled the integration of Russa into the modern world and we set up Ukraine for this pain by over promising without understanding the risks to them. I hope Ukraine can hold out and it becomes enough of a stalemate that the Russian army steps in and call it off.
On another note, however this ends, I think I will hold off vacationing in Europe or the Middle East until all of the ~500 Stingers currently being handed out are finally accounted for. It would make flying there way to stressful for me.
The ordinary people of Ukraine have been shoved into a shitstorm by the people that George Carlin identified years ago [Mad]
Putin is killing kids in the Ukraine. I am with Sgt. Fury on this baby murderer.
Some of the reserve was released. Enough for 3 days worth of supply. Wow. 3 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
Yes, there's pro-Ukrainian propaganda out there. Every party in a war uses and issues propaganda to some extent.
Yes, Biden is (finally) supporting Ukraine -- at least verbally. Soros and others are jumping on the anti-Putin bandwagon because of course they are; they need to distract everyone from the fact they were working with him to attack anti-communists for years. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
The timing of this was convenient for Biden because it takes the heat off him for a variety of issues. I suspect Putin felt the heat Biden was taking on those issues made the timing convenient for him.
The bottom line on this for me is that a neo-Stalinist is rampaging. People die every day but usually not because of deliberate action by a tyrant who thinks he can get away with literal murder. He should have been put in his place and boxed in when he pulled this crap with Georgia and Crimea but the Leftists in and out of our government didn't want to do that. He waited when Mr. Unpredictable was in office but launched his expansionism again once the Senile-in-Chief was in office and overwhelmed. If he's not stopped and put down this time, he'll keep escalating and that will cost us more in the end than doing something now. These kinds of thugs don't stop until they realize they're going to get hurt.
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Even we do it.
https://images.news18.com/ibnlive/up...us-chopper.jpg
The thing to remember to is we live in an age where everyone is a "journalist" and disinformation has no state monopoly anymore. Most of the propaganda is made by glorified trolls with varying levels of intent. Sometimes states adopt it unknowingly. Sometimes propaganda is still state created. In any event, it is hardly justification for the most corrupt developed nation with the most corrupted of all media to come in and invade under guise of "freeing them from fascists" and "peacekeeping". If it was, we should be invaded by Russia too by that logic.
Social media is a cesspool (always has been). MSM fishes in that cesspool for "news" and shares the 'catch of the day'.
What Putin is doing killing civilians is indefensible. No foil hat required.
I hope the reports of Russian troops poor morale are true, not understanding why they are there and being instructed to kill Ukrainians who haven't done anything to them. I have heard of some surrendering and some intentionally puncturing fuel tanks so the equipment is unable to continue the attack. I hope that is true. The Russian military should turn their guns around on their leadership, IMO.