CALL TO ACTION: March on state capitols, 19 Jan!

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Originally Posted by rustycrusty

My fear is this cannot be posted enough times in enough places

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Just fixed your fear. [panic] Merged.

Just want to ask if we brought a Molon Labe or Gadsden flag if that would that be ok? Don't want to fed the medias negative image of gun owners either.

bring a sh*t load of spent/empty brass with me.
... and here's what I'll explain when asked why...

1) I went through 15,000+ rounds last year and none of these killed anyone.
2) Imagine how many jobs are out there I supported with these rounds.
3) These weren't used for any sort of protection from anything.

... this all I can really think of for now...



what do you guys think?

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

Thanks, but get your ass on a plane and be here. Thats an order ish.

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Ill send my HH6 instead [word]

Sure wish I could attend, it's a great day for this event (my b-day), unfortunately I'll be working :banghead: hopefully many will attend, and nobody will act a fool.

Myself and a few buddies will be there as well

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Originally Posted by islandermyk

bring a sh*t load of spent/empty brass with me.
... and here's what I'll explain when asked why...

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You should bring it - and sell it all to me. Cheap.

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Originally Posted by asmotao

You should bring it - and sell it all to me. Cheap.

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7.62X51?!? I got a bucket full....













berdan primed though [Coffee]

The guns across America colorado group is running a car pool from Colorado Springs .. Meeting at the woodmen park and ride leaving NLT 945 am...

I'll be getting on I-25 at Happy Canyon. There a good place to park off road there. If anybody want to share a ride PM me. I figure I'll have to pay to park so might as well save money.

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Originally Posted by islandermyk

7.62X51?!? I got a bucket full....

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YEAH!!

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Originally Posted by islandermyk

berdan primed though [Coffee]

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doh!

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Originally Posted by islandermyk

7.62X51?!? I got a bucket full....













berdan primed though [Coffee]

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i keep telling myself i'll convert some berdan primed 8mm brass to boxer just for the fun of it lol

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Originally Posted by two shoes

Will bring 2 of 3 kids... My 10 year old has a birthday party to go to. Wife says I cannot give him the following ultimatum: "You can go to Denver and help fight for your God given rights your government is trying to take from you, practically ensuring your slavery to a tyrannic dictator in your life time, or go to this little birthday party ..." I'll let him decide...

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Looks like 3 out of 3 kids will be going. 10 year old decided (without coercion) that he'd rather "support my gun rights"... So proud!

Here's the organizers stance on firearms at the march:

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Spent an hour with two of the top cops this morning from the CHP. There is absolutely no guns allowed on state property. You will be arrested and I want you to know we are backing the police on this one. I know you have rights, but this is the law. And isn't that part of what we are conveying here? That we are law abiding citizens? Of course it is. So please, DONT BRING A GUN ON THE PROPERTY. DENVER PD also does not take kindly to this so I am asking you to use good judgement and common sense. We will have families with children there. I can assure you of this, there are other measures in place to protect the lives of everyone there. Next page DD

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More to add:

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Now, more on the media. I will be everywhere there. I want you to program my phone number into your phone 719 200 6797 (not for you infiltrators though). If you see the media trying to engage somebody, call me. Before you call determine where you. Example, I am in the southwest corner, back side. This way I know where to go. If you are approached by the media and decide you want to talk remember this. Remain calm no matter what they say to you. Pause and think a minute before you speak. "will this hurt our agenda" If yes, don't say it. DD

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Originally Posted by blacklabel

Here's the organizers stance on firearms at the march:

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I was just about to post that... can we get clarity on this? I'd rather not spend more than .5 seconds anywhere in Denver unarmed (CSP presence notwithstanding)... I was under the impression that CCW was legal anywhere outdoors that it is not posted otherwise, and prohibited in controlled (guard/detector) and government areas... Just want to be sure...

I think he's pretty straight forward about it.

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DONT BRING A GUN ON THE PROPERTY.

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I suppose if you won't go with CCW you can follow it from across the street. I can understand their not wanting to turn it into a confrontation. Personally, I wish they could have a found a place noticeable with CCW allowed.

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Originally Posted by blacklabel

I think he's pretty straight forward about it.

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But that is a clear and direct contradiction to CRS concerning Concealed Carry laws. It says nothing of prohibitions to CCW on state property- it does state controlled access (again metal detectors/guards/signs) it is illegal. It is also illegal to carry inside gov buildings. BUT it is NOT illegal in the context of what that organizer posted- and I just read through Title 18, Article 12- OFFENSES RELATING TO FIREARMS AND WEAPONS, again and it says nothing of concealed carry being prohibited on State property, only within government buildings.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

But that is a clear and direct contradiction to CRS concerning Concealed Carry laws. It says nothing of prohibitions to CCW on state property- it does state controlled access (again metal detectors/guards/signs) it is illegal. It is also illegal to carry inside gov buildings. BUT it is NOT illegal in the context of what that organizer posted- and I just read through Title 18, Article 12- OFFENSES RELATING TO FIREARMS AND WEAPONS, again and it says nothing of concealed carry being prohibited on State property, only within government buildings.

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I'm not trying to argue the statute. I agree with you there. I'm just trying to relay what's been posted on Facebook for those that aren't following there.

Here, for your reading pleasure...

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Originally Posted by CRS Title 18, Article 12, 214

18-12-214. Authority granted by permit - carrying restrictions



(1) (a) A permit to carry a concealed handgun authorizes the permittee to carry a concealed handgun in all areas of the state, except as specifically limited in this section. A permit does not authorize the permittee to use a handgun in a manner that would violate a provision of state law. A local government does not have authority to adopt or enforce an ordinance or resolution that would conflict with any provision of this part 2.

(b) A peace officer may temporarily disarm a permittee, incident to a lawful stop of the permittee. The peace officer shall return the handgun to the permittee prior to discharging the permittee from the scene.

(2) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.

(3) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvements erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school; except that:

(a) A permittee may have a handgun on the real property of the public school so long as the handgun remains in his or her vehicle and, if the permittee is not in the vehicle, the handgun is in a compartment within the vehicle and the vehicle is locked;

(b) A permittee who is employed or retained by contract by a school district as a school security officer may carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvement erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school while the permittee is on duty;

(c) A permittee may carry a concealed handgun on undeveloped real property owned by a school district that is used for hunting or other shooting sports.

(4) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a public building at which:

(a) Security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place at each entrance to the building;

(b) Security personnel electronically screen each person who enters the building to determine whether the person is carrying a weapon of any kind; and

(c) Security personnel require each person who is carrying a weapon of any kind to leave the weapon in possession of security personnel while the person is in the building.

(5) Nothing in this part 2 shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private property owner, private tenant, private employer, or private business entity.

(6) The provisions of this section apply to temporary emergency permits issued pursuant to section 18-12-209.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Here, for your reading pleasure...
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Yeah, I've read it dozens of times. Like I said, I agree with you but apparently CHP is going to be arresting those that bring a firearm onto state property. I'm not saying it's right but want those of us that are attending to have an idea of what to expect.

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Originally Posted by blacklabel

Yeah, I've read it dozens of times. Like I said, I agree with you but apparently CHP is going to be arresting those that bring a firearm onto state property. I'm not saying it's right but want those of us that are attending to have an idea of what to expect.

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Well then CHP is going to be opening themselves up for a lot of litigation, because by arresting folks for legal concealed carry is not lawful under CRS.

as an aside, crowd-wise--this is the last weekend for the Van Gogh exhibit at the DAM, which is a couple of blocks away from the capitol. Also, the sportsman's show is at the convention center--so it'll be busy downtown regardless of the protest

I just called CSP and was told that it is illegal to CCW on capitol property, but they could not give me the CRS stating so.

Anyone wants a ride from Castle Rock to Auraria Campus and back, let me know.

It's good to see this thread picking up steam. I hope we can get 50 from here!

Where will we protest on the Capitol?

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Originally Posted by obisean68

I just called CSP and was told that it is illegal to CCW on capitol property, but they could not give me the CRS stating so.

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See what I posted above... It states inside government buildings, but the grounds outside is fair game. I think a quick call to my neighbor here who's an attorney could clear it up, maybe.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

See what I posted above... It states inside government buildings, but the grounds outside is fair game. I think a quick call to my neighbor here who's an attorney could clear it up, maybe.

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To clarify my previous post, the CSP said CCW on the grounds, not just the building itself, was illegal.

Thanks, and please post up what you hear back on carrying.

Okay, a few questions... I believe the air has been cleared and it's legal to CCW, but the organizers are now stating that they would prefer if people did not CCW. So out of everyone who is going, that has a permit, who is going to be CCW and who will not? I'm on the fence here, they're acting like they don't want to stir up any trouble and risk anything, but on the other hand, I don't feel comfortable ever going to Denver without my EDC on my person. There are going to be cops everywhere, but going back to what's been said on here, cops are not there to protect you, their job usually is going on after a crime has been committed. Besides, isn't an armed society a polite society?

This is one instance in which I think the CCW will stay home.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Okay, a few questions... I believe the air has been cleared and it's legal to CCW, but the organizers are now stating that they would prefer if people did not CCW. So out of everyone who is going, that has a permit, who is going to be CCW and who will not? I'm on the fence here, they're acting like they don't want to stir up any trouble and risk anything, but on the other hand, I don't feel comfortable ever going to Denver without my EDC on my person. There are going to be cops everywhere, but going back to what's been said on here, cops are not there to protect you, their job usually is going on after a crime has been committed. Besides, isn't an armed society a polite society?

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Keep calm, carry on.

but seriously, you are not going to catch me in that armpit without my carry gun. Concealed means concealed an nobody needs to know.

I wont' be.

concealed is concealed.

You think they are going to be doing spot checks. Doubt it.

Unless I hear something definative about it somehow not being legal, I will be carrying. Whenever I go to Denver, I carry. I also take the lightrail, and then will ride the shuttle up and walk over, so that much time around the weirdos around 16th street? Yeah I'm carrying. And it's concealed, and I don't plan on anyone seeing it. If I get there and see something about it being illegal and they have metal detectors, then I leave.

This is all I can go by:

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Spent an hour with two of the top cops this morning from the CHP. There is absolutely no guns allowed on state property. You will be arrested and I want you to know we are backing the police on this one. I know you have rights, but this is the law. And isn't that part of what we are conveying here? That we are law abiding citizens? Of course it is. So please, DONT BRING A GUN ON THE PROPERTY. DENVER PD also does not take kindly to this so I am asking you to use good judgement and common sense. We will have families with children there. I can assure you of this, there are other measures in place to protect the lives of everyone there. Next page DD

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While we all know that "concealed means concealed"... the fact that they are trying to make Civic Center Park a temporary gun-free zone during the time of the rally leads me to believe that they will try and somehow enforce that (meaning wands). I just wish ANYBODY out there could find a statute that supports the park being a gun-free zone... thus making it illegal for concealed carry there. Nobody is willing to do that... which just tells me they want to temporarily make this an enforced gun-free zone.

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Originally Posted by brobar

I haven't seen the air cleared yet. All I have seen from the organizer is them telling attendees that it is a gun-free zone PERIOD! But nobody is willing to list the statute that supports the claim that the Civic City Park, adjacent to the capitol, is in fact a gun-free zone. I'll support the rally from a few blocks away (carrying) unless someone can clearly state it is illegal to conceal carry there and show the statute that backs up that claim. My fear, since it has not been explicitly cited, is that the LEO will have metal detecting wands there and will try and enforce an imaginary gun-free zone there. I will not get close to the park unless someone can clearly show a statute that states, in fact, that Civic Center Park is an enforced gun-free zone or not. Nobody seems willing to offer up that little tid-bit of information.

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I'll post again without the quote for clarity:
Originally Posted by CRS Title 18, Article 12, 214
18-12-214. Authority granted by permit - carrying restrictions



(1) (a) A permit to carry a concealed handgun authorizes the permittee to carry a concealed handgun in all areas of the state, except as specifically limited in this section. A permit does not authorize the permittee to use a handgun in a manner that would violate a provision of state law. A local government does not have authority to adopt or enforce an ordinance or resolution that would conflict with any provision of this part 2.

(b) A peace officer may temporarily disarm a permittee, incident to a lawful stop of the permittee. The peace officer shall return the handgun to the permittee prior to discharging the permittee from the scene.

(2) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.

(3) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvements erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school; except that:

(a) A permittee may have a handgun on the real property of the public school so long as the handgun remains in his or her vehicle and, if the permittee is not in the vehicle, the handgun is in a compartment within the vehicle and the vehicle is locked;

(b) A permittee who is employed or retained by contract by a school district as a school security officer may carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvement erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school while the permittee is on duty;

(c) A permittee may carry a concealed handgun on undeveloped real property owned by a school district that is used for hunting or other shooting sports.

(4) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a public building at which:

(a) Security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place at each entrance to the building;

(b) Security personnel electronically screen each person who enters the building to determine whether the person is carrying a weapon of any kind; and

(c) Security personnel require each person who is carrying a weapon of any kind to leave the weapon in possession of security personnel while the person is in the building.

(5) Nothing in this part 2 shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private property owner, private tenant, private employer, or private business entity.

(6) The provisions of this section apply to temporary emergency permits issued pursuant to section 18-12-209.

Been doing a lot of reading on the CRS the past few weeks and this is all I've seen relating to this rally.

I may be going now that my Scout campout has been postponed but my CCW is staying home. The organizers have asked you not to bring any firearms. Firmly standing up for your rights under YOUR understanding of the CRS can backfire on the rest of us in terms of the scene it creates and public opinion so if you can't respect the organizers' request then support the rally from across the street or on the Internet.

So is it at the Capitol or across the street at the park?

I'm so confused.