Fast and Furious appeared to be an anti-gun scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
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Fast and Furious appeared to be an anti-gun scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
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From the Article I posted a few posts back:
OBAMA
1997-2004: As an Illinois state senator, Obama supports banning all forms of semiautomatic weapons and tighter state restrictions generally on firearms, including a failed effort to limit handgun purchases to one per month.
2005: In the U.S. Senate, Obama votes against protecting firearms makers and dealers from lawsuits over misuse of their products by others. The bill is signed into law by President George W. Bush.
2008: During his first presidential campaign, Obama supports a return to the federal ban on assault weapons, which began during the Clinton administration and expired under Bush. He also endorses requiring background checks for buyers at gun shows. The National Rifle Association attacks him as an anti-gun zealot — a stand the group continues to take today.
April 2008: Obama is criticized for elitism after sounding dismissive of gun owners in a talk to campaign donors. He said voters in struggling small towns in Middle America "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them" to explain their frustrations.
September 2008: Obama seeks to reassure gun owners: "I believe in people's lawful right to bear arms. ... There are some common-sense gun safety laws that I believe in. But I am not going to take your guns away." Nonetheless, gun sales go up when Obama wins, apparently because of fear that new restrictions are imminent under his administration.
2009: As president, Obama signs a law allowing people to carry concealed weapons in the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone and other national parks and wildlife refuges and another that lets people carry guns in their checked bags on Amtrak trains.
2010: The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence gives Obama a grade of "F'' for failing to push even the gun restrictions he supported while campaigning.
2011: Obama says the shooting that severely wounded then-Rep. Gabriel Giffords, D-Ariz., and killed six people should lead to "a new discussion of how we can keep America safe for all our people." He calls for "sound and effective steps" to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, including strengthening background checks on gun buyers. But he's short on specifics, and the Obama administration hasn't proposed any new gun initiatives since then.
March 2012: Obama calls the fatal shooting of black teenager Trayvon Martin by a neighborhood watch volunteer in Florida "a tragedy," saying Americans should do some soul-searching and "examine the laws" to figure out why it happened. He hasn't called for any legal changes in response to the case, which mostly brought attention to some states' "stand your ground" laws making it easier for a shooter to claim self-defense. Indeed, most gun regulations are imposed by states. The primary federal law is the Brady law requiring background checks on firearms purchasers.
July 20: Obama says he's heartbroken by the Aurora, Colo., movie theater massacre and calls for Americans to unite in prayer for the victims: "If there's anything to take away from this tragedy it's the reminder that life is very fragile, our time here is limited and it is precious."
Asked whether the mass shooting should prompt a new review of gun laws, White House spokesman Jay Carney declines to comment beyond reiterating Obama's existing stance in support of "common-sense measures that protect Second Amendment rights of Americans, while ensuring that those who should not have guns under existing law do not get them."
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ROMNEY
1994: In his unsuccessful challenge to liberal Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Romney sounds moderate on guns, supporting an assault weapons ban and insisting, "I don't line up with the NRA."
2002: Running for governor of Massachusetts, Romney says he supports and will protect the state's "tough gun laws." The NRA gives his Democratic opponent a higher rating on gun-rights issues and makes no endorsement in the race.
2003: As governor, Romney upsets gun owners by signing a law that quadruples the state's gun-licensing fee — from $25 to $100 — as part of a widespread effort to eliminate the budget deficit.
2004: Romney signs a Massachusetts ban on assault weapons. He mollifies many gun rights advocates by coupling it with looser rules on gun licenses and an extension of the duration of licenses, reducing the effect of the earlier fee increase.
2005: Declares May 7 as "Right to Bear Arms Day" in Massachusetts.
2006: As he prepares for his first presidential run, Romney becomes a lifetime NRA member.
2007: While campaigning, Romney declares he sometimes hunts "small varmints" — a comment ridiculed by some as an awkward attempt to pander to pro-gun voters.
2008: In a Republican primary debate, Romney says he would have signed the federal assault weapons ban if it came to his desk as president, but he opposes any new gun legislation.
2011: Making his second presidential bid, Romney's campaigns on a promise to protect and promote the Second Amendment.
2012: Romney tells gun owners that Obama wants to erode their rights. "We need a president who will enforce current laws, not create new ones that only serve to burden lawful gun owners," Romney told the National Rifle Association's annual convention. "President Obama has not. I will."
July 20: Like Obama, Romney avoids talking politics on the day of the Aurora shooting. He says Americans are coming together in their sorrow: "There is something we can do. We can offer comfort to someone near us who is suffering or heavy laden, and we can mourn with those who mourn in Colorado."
I would seem neither can make up their mind, however as the Zen Master would say "We'll see."
wow!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/was...f-public-lands
http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2011/0...agents-to.htmlQuote:
Gun owners who have historically been able to use public lands for target practice would be barred from potentially millions of acres under new rules drafted by the Interior Department, the first major move by the Obama administration to impose limits on firearms.
http://www.nj.com/us-politics/index....trol_cauc.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...kdoor-gun-ban/Quote:
Suspicious that the Obama administration would use the scandal to push gun-control bills through Congress, the NRA waded into the contempt battle, even though the White House definitively dismissed those claims. Seventeen House Democrats ultimately voted alongside Republicans to hold Holder in criminal contempt – most of them hailing from moderate districts and facing difficult reelection battles.
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President Obama is afraid of the M1 Garand, the U.S. rifle that helped win World War II, defeating Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Administration officials earlier this year moved to block the government of South Korea from selling vintage U.S.-made M1 Garands and M1 carbines to eager stateside collectors.
There was some argument about weather or not the Grands were loaned or sold to Korea, and that if they were loaned then they shouldn't be sold back.
I'd hate for someone to pay $900 plus for a fucked up Big 5 Garand.
It doesn't make sense to ban the importation of the Garands when they allow the importation of AKs and other scarier guns. I think there is more to it than just he don't like no guns.
He was a product of his surroundings in MA. Now he is surrounded on a national lever by people who enjoy their freedoms and they are the ones potentially putting him into office.Quote:
Originally Posted by RMAC757
He is a lifetime member of the NRA
He has flipped to the side of protecting the 2nd in the last 4 years. Typical political move, but I would still rather have him, who will be surrounded by pro-2nd type people than 4 more years of Obama who we see who he surrounds himself with as president.
I haven't seen anything he has done as president. Quite the opposite in fact, signing the bill that allowed loaded guns in national parks, and another that allowed guns in baggage on amtrak trains into law... as far as I've seen he's loosened gun laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
OK so ridge and rjlou need to get a room so you can cuddle and feel all warm about your current POTUS.
I've shot both, nothing is 'scary' about either - they fire one bullet when you pull the trigger. If you are aiming at a paper plate, the paper plate is not in any more danger with one than with the other. Let's not sensationalize a gun because the media blames it for every incidence of violence ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordanls19
"He only hits me cuz he loves me"Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
I'm not holding my breath for romeny, or obama. Sometimes I think you guys hate obama so much you'll side with anyone that's not him. That's as dumb as voting for someone Because he's black.
I'm just as worried as you and others that he is sitting on gun control until his second term. IF he does push gun control it won't be until he is re-elected, he knows he needs independent votes of gun owners. So far though, the facts show he has loosened the gun control laws as President.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtn.man