It's already really easy for the government to correlate all of the information on your BGC to your SS#. If you don't think so, you're kidding yourself.
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It's already really easy for the government to correlate all of the information on your BGC to your SS#. If you don't think so, you're kidding yourself.
Call almost any company you do business / have an account with, like the cable co. When your ph number shows up on their screen they ask is this number xxx-xxx-xxxx your home or cell, are you still at xxxx anystreet anytown usa? believe me the shit you think they don't have, info wise should OUTRAGE ALL OF YOU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
I'm off to the L&P forums to see if Sleepy, OOPS, DOC found any topics that "catch his eye"
Technically, you're right. The enabling legislation even specifically said the SSN could not be used as an ID number. However, I noticed in the tail end of the Clinton administration that the IRS started referring to it as "Taxpayer Identification Number" or TIN. I've never located the legislation that enabled them to violate the law that established the Social Security program but they ARE using it as a national ID number and have been doing so for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
A TIN and a SS are two completely different things. However, you can use your SS number in place of a TIN.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
The TIN used to be different. I have never requested to use my SSN in place of the TIN, the IRS changed the forms and instructions. I've even received documentation that no longer refers to SSN but has my SSN printed where it asks for the TIN.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
In fact, the IRS even says SSNs are one form of TIN at http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/International-Taxpayers/Taxpayer-Identification-Numbers-%28TIN%29 :
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A Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN) is an identification number used by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) in the administration of tax laws. It is issued either by the Social Security Administration (SSA) or by the IRS. A Social Security number (SSN) is issued by the SSA whereas all other TINs are issued by the IRS.
Taxpayer Identification Numbers
- Social Security Number "SSN"
- Employer Identification Number "EIN"
- Individual Taxpayer Identification Number "ITIN"
- Taxpayer Identification Number for Pending U.S. Adoptions "ATIN"
- Preparer Taxpayer Identification Number "PTIN"
One of the arguments against SSNs was that they would evolve into a national ID number, a concept that was still a hot point for most people 50+ years ago. I remember the military used to refer to them as SSAN because the number was technically an account number rather than an ID number. On further research, I've found the IRS started using SSNs as TINs in 1962 but I seem to remember forms stating "Social Security Number" rather than "Taxpayer ID Number" prior to the Clinton administration.
In any event, the point stands that the SSN has de facto become a national ID number.
Hey OP, here's something to consider. Those who choose to exercise civil disobedience and ignore unconstitutional (read: irrelevant and invalid) legislation aren't going to incriminate themselves and openly admit to breaking the law (even when the law itself really doesn't offer a way to prosecute offenders) when there are already plans in motion to get those laws overturned.
So...yeah.
Obeying, yes. Without a peep, hardly.
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Originally Posted by TFOGGER