Snowden interview 05.28.14

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Originally Posted by Gman

Our government is out of control, and these leaks have clearly demonstrated that fact. I'd like to see some proof that they aren't trampling the Constitution at every opportunity.

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And this post nails it.

IF our .gov was not running loose on the reins there would be no need for Snowden.

As far as jeopardizing our national security, the actions of this administration have jeopardized us far more than one individual could.
Immigration
Fast n Furious
No ID to vote
Selective enforcement of laws

I see these things as far more dangerous than what Snowden has revealed to the American Public.

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Originally Posted by Gman

Our government is out of control, and these leaks have clearly demonstrated that fact. I'd like to see some proof that they aren't trampling the Constitution at every opportunity.

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Yes it is and yes they are...at all levels.

I'm glad Snowden exposed this, the "national security" implication is bullshit, just a cover to sway people over the government's side.

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Originally Posted by tmckay2

did the founding fathers oppose the crown then tuck tail and skirt off to some distant land? no. they said do your worst.

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They were already in some distant land. They certainly didn't go back to England to face trial.

If he stayed here, He would have been locked up and the trial would have been closed door...for national security of course. You wouldn't have any nationally televised interviews with him, you wouldn't see him at all. He would not be labeled a hero, he would simply be called a terrorist and none of us would be allowed to hear his story...all we would get is the "official" story.

I find it curious that 'we' all demand that the government be brought back to reason and limited power. We complain about unconstitutional laws, bureaucratic red tape, and the failure of our system. Then someone circumvents the corrupt government and exposes their illegal, dangerous, treasonous, and careless actions. What do 'we' do? Yell about how he's a criminal and should've stayed within the confines of the very system we keep acknowledging is broken.

Are 'we' really that loyal to the letter of the law, even when the law tramples on our rights? Why should he play by rules that serve only to violate his life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness? Why should we obey or observe laws that allow the administration to literally perform extrajudicial executions of American citizens, perform surveillance without precedent, and nullify our land/assets?

Not only did he try to send it up and get told to tow the line, but even assuming he had "gone through the proper channels", how long do you think he'd have a pulse afterwards? There's a reason he was hiding in a Russian hotel room, afraid to even step out into the hall. And it wasn't schizophrenia or conspiracy theories.

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Originally Posted by tmckay2

did the founding fathers oppose the crown then tuck tail and skirt off to some distant land? no. they said do your worst.

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Seriously? This one literally made me lol.

In case the irony is lost on you... where did they fight the crown from again? A block or two away in England? ROFL

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Originally Posted by hollohas

They were already in some distant land. They certainly didn't go back to England to face trial.

If he stayed here, He would have been locked up and the trial would have been closed door...for national security of course. You wouldn't have any nationally televised interviews with him, you wouldn't see him at all. He would not be labeled a hero, he would simply be called a terrorist and none of us would be allowed to hear his story...all we would get is the "official" story.

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Beat me to it. Makes me wonder if people even read what they write these days. They want to demonize him SO badly (for reasons unknown to me) that they will contradict themselves in their own statements trying to do so. Oh the ironing.

So, Aloha Shooter and OneGuy, aside from your Obama/Kerry talking points, do you have anything else to back up your pro-state, anti-freedom position?

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Originally Posted by ZERO THEORY

I find it curious that 'we' all demand that the government be brought back to reason and limited power. We complain about unconstitutional laws, bureaucratic red tape, and the failure of our system. Then someone circumvents the corrupt government and exposes their illegal, dangerous, treasonous, and careless actions. What do 'we' do? Yell about how he's a criminal and should've stayed within the confines of the very system we keep acknowledging is broken.

Are 'we' really that loyal to the letter of the law, even when the law tramples on our rights? Why should he play by rules that serve only to violate his life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness? Why should we obey or observe laws that allow the administration to literally perform extrajudicial executions of American citizens, perform surveillance without precedent, and nullify our land/assets?

Not only did he try to send it up and get told to tow the line, but even assuming he had "gone through the proper channels", how long do you think he'd have a pulse afterwards? There's a reason he was hiding in a Russian hotel room, afraid to even step out into the hall. And it wasn't schizophrenia or conspiracy theories.

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THIS! Any law that violates the Constitution is not a legitimate law.

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Originally Posted by funkymonkey1111

So, Aloha Shooter and OneGuy, aside from your Obama/Kerry talking points, do you have anything else to back up your pro-state, anti-freedom position?

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What I keep asking and why I started this thread.... Can't seem to find any reason why this guy shouldn't be a national hero.

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Originally Posted by ZERO THEORY

I find it curious that 'we' all demand that the government be brought back to reason and limited power. We complain about unconstitutional laws, bureaucratic red tape, and the failure of our system. Then someone circumvents the corrupt government and exposes their illegal, dangerous, treasonous, and careless actions. What do 'we' do? Yell about how he's a criminal and should've stayed within the confines of the very system we keep acknowledging is broken.

Are 'we' really that loyal to the letter of the law, even when the law tramples on our rights? Why should he play by rules that serve only to violate his life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness? Why should we obey or observe laws that allow the administration to literally perform extrajudicial executions of American citizens, perform surveillance without precedent, and nullify our land/assets?

Not only did he try to send it up and get told to tow the line, but even assuming he had "gone through the proper channels", how long do you think he'd have a pulse afterwards? There's a reason he was hiding in a Russian hotel room, afraid to even step out into the hall. And it wasn't schizophrenia or conspiracy theories.

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Well stated.