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^^^this..or without lots of experience/practice on unstable terrain & steep hills (the alternative is likely death for all involved).....Quote:
Originally Posted by MED
I actually had a momentary in-vehicle distraction once while coming down Radical Hill...almost ate it near the turn by the top...
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Yeah, that would suck! The risk if something goes wrong is enormousQuote:
Originally Posted by DireWolf
Please explain! That's on my to-do list. At least Webster is. I have no interest in difficult or dangerous trails, but I really want to explore what I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by DireWolf
I'm restoring an essentially stock 1956 Willys CJ5, except for a 1972 D30 front axle, all new 11" brakes, electronic ignition, 12v electrics, and upgraded steering. But no lift and no big-ass tires, going with 6"x16" original size in offroad tread, not military NDT's. But it's not going anywhere until it's 100% rebuilt and reliable.
If you go to the top of Webster, you can watch people on Radical Hill; nothing but the side of the mountain after the turn he mentioned. The turn to the top is about as vertical as you can imagine. It is truly insane mainly because there is no room for error. There is no turning back on this one; once you commit, you commit. If you lose it and come down that hill past the turn, your are completely screwed.Quote:
Originally Posted by rondog
Also: I personally would never go up Radical Hill with a carb and you need a built crawler with the safety gear.
But the shelf road up Webster is OK? I'm assuming that at the top of the shelf road you can go three ways - Red Cone, Radical, or over the pass and down the other side?
Depending on conditions, Webster is fine. You can't go up Red Cone...one way only!Quote:
Originally Posted by rondog
Here is Webster:Attachment 60028
Edit: You can go back or down the North side of Webster. At the bottom you can go back up to Radical or take the trail out toward Montezuma.
So the shelf road and the saddle are Webster Pass, yes? What are the two peaks on either side? I thought those were Red Cone and Radical.
The peak on the left is Handcart Peak, right?
Radical is not right there at the top of the pass, you have to go down the meadow on the back / North side, take the leg that goes Wst, and then back up to another summit. It's not far but it's not right there.
I don't remember without checking the books, but you can get to the top of radical hill from the back side of it pretty easily - Deer Creek series of trails I think?? Several times I've run it and there are people at the top of the hill that came from the other direction but aren't going to try Radical Hill itself.
Edit: found this online. Looks like it was taken from on the Red Cone trail, but if you follow the pink Webster pass trail, you can see where it would intersect Red Cone, and how you'd have to come down off the peak and go around to the next one (I think the Radical Hill trail actually goes up Teller Mt.) to hit Radical.
If you don't pass the Cabin, you're not on Radical.
http://i.imgur.com/UUFSbwe.jpg
This one might help too. I took it from the top of radical hill, facing back at the back (North) side of Webster/Red Cone. You can see how you follow the trail back down the valley and then you can't really see the trail you take to get back up to Radical, but just go left instead of going right to Montezuma. If you look in the very bottom right corner, you see the cabin. That's when you know you're switching from the boring part of the Radical Hill leg to the fun switchbacks.
http://i.imgur.com/kkUME0X.jpg?1
Radical from below, right before the switchbacks.
http://i.imgur.com/hYTMf4e.jpg?1