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Originally Posted by rondog
You are all missing the big picture. Yes it is a best guess at what strains may be around come flu season. Can you still get sick? Sure, may be another viral infection that infects you or bacterial pneumonia. Will you die either way? Flu as with most seasonal infections mainly have the potential to kill our very young and old. Is pharma making money? Sure they are but probably not as much as they could. I think they are covering their costs plus a small margin but at no way is the margin anywhere like Apple and their products. This is evident by the problem we faced a few years back when so many vaccine manufactures dropped out of the business because of no profit and we were stuck short on vaccine available.
So what is the big picture? Why the big push for vaccines? Vaccines still are the CHEAPEST and one of the only proven cost effective health care expenditures that save us money (the other is prenatal care, everything else that are claimed to prevent health care costs are hogwash).
The real purpose is not to keep you well the real purpose is keeping a pandemic or epidemic viral outbreak that leads to many more dying or increases the chances for the virus to mutate into something more problematic. If you choose not to be vaccinated they that is your choice. You then could become the vector to infect others while you are in that stage. This is why we are having a measles outbreak so many people are coming into our country new without vaccine history or requirements. Some here have chosen not to vaccinate their child. They are now vectors that is contributing to the current outbreak. It may not be the measles that kills but other complications from the disease.
ill leave those out when people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about stop using "sheep and lambs". this to me is like feinstein on guns. when people say absolutely ludicrous things with no factual backing whatsoever it gets me fired up. if people don't want the shot, no problemo. when they start trying to spread their lunacy to others, which causes the outbreaks we have started seeing in the last decade or so from diseases that were once eradicated, yeah i am going to have a problem with that. its a bit like people not owning guns. thats no problem. but when they go around proclaiming how guns get up and kill people all on their own and you're nuts to own one, i imagine most here will take issue with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by buffalobo
i stay informed by actually being in on some of the studies and seeing the benefits and consequences first hand. you stay informed by reading whack job websites and anecdotal evidence? sounds legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
walk into a pharmacy. boom. free. and as far as it not being "free" lets not start that, its paid for by your premiums. if you don't want to utilize it, thats fine, but for anyone with insurance yes it is free.
the funniest part is everyone gets all up in arms about mercury. first, you can get it without. problem solved. second, its not the only immunization that has it in it. far from it. and yet why is the flu shot gets all the pub? because people believe stuff they read on the internet.
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Originally Posted by Wulf202
I think of flu shots much like I think of guns, abortions, controversial movies, or most any other optional consumer product or service:
-If you want one, buy it.
-If you don't want one, don't buy it.
Unfortunately, someone is always there to pontificate as to why they have some sort of say in what I do with my life.
If I pay for the insurance, and the insurance covers the shot, I pay for the shot. Even if I don't get it. Maybe my insurance should cost a bit less if I don't get.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmckay2
It is the EXACT same concept as free rock chip repair and accident forgiveness On an auto insurance policy. You are paying more for your premiums for those features.
Yep. Nothing is free. Nothing.
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From JAMA Internal Medicine: http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/arti...ticleid=486407
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Impact of Influenza Vaccination on Seasonal Mortality in the US Elderly Population
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Results
For people aged 65 to 74 years, excess mortality rates in A(H3N2)-dominated seasons fell between 1968 and the early 1980s but remained approximately constant thereafter. For persons 85 years or older, the mortality rate remained flat throughout. Excess mortality in A(H1N1) and B seasons did not change. All-cause excess mortality for persons 65 years or older never exceeded 10% of all winter deaths.
Conclusions
We attribute the decline in influenza-related mortality among people aged 65 to 74 years in the decade after the 1968 pandemic to the acquisition of immunity to the emerging A(H3N2) virus. We could not correlate increasing vaccination coverage after 1980 with declining mortality rates in any age group. Because fewer than 10% of all winter deaths were attributable to influenza in any season, we conclude that observational studies substantially overestimate vaccination benefit
From Science Direct: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...64410X0600764X
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Influenza-related mortality in the Italian elderly: No decline associated with increasing vaccination coverage
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Abstract
We investigated trends in influenza-related mortality among the elderly population in Italy associated with increased vaccination coverage. Using Italian vital statistics data, we studied monthly death rates for pneumonia and influenza and all-cause for persons ≥65 years of age by 5-year age groups for 1970–2001. Using a classic seasonal regression modelling approach, we estimated the age-specific seasonal excess mortality rates among Italian elderly as a measure of influenza-related deaths. We studied trends in excess mortality after adjusting for population aging and analyzing separately seasons dominated by the severe A/H3N2 subtype and those dominated by other circulating influenza subtypes. After the late 1980s, no decline in age-adjusted excess mortality was associated with increasing influenza vaccination distribution primarily targeted for the elderly. These findings suggest that either the vaccine failed to protect the elderly against mortality (possibly due to immune senescence), and/or the vaccination efforts did not adequately target the frailest elderly. As in the US, our study challenges current strategies to best protect the elderly against mortality, warranting the need for better controlled trials with alternative vaccination strategies.
I'd rather risk catching the flu: http://articles.mcall.com/2014-06-10...#ixzz34RkJqzVu
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The settlement, to be paid by the tax-funded National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, will also provide Behie more than $1 million for her lost wages, pain and suffering and other medical expenses.
Carney said the money will allow Behie to continue her treatment at Good Shepherd Rehabilitation. Behie, who lived in Lower Macungie Township before her illness, has no use of her legs and lacks the strength in her upper body to feed or clothe herself. She's 24.
"It's hopeful that she will be able to return home at some point, but it's not in the plan for the immediate future," Carney said.
Behie's case — though rare — is an example of the risks associated with vaccines. Studies in the United States and Canada show a small but significant risk of contracting Guillain-Barre syndrome after receiving a flu vaccine.
From the FDA: http://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologi.../ucm101580.pdf
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Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence
and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are
reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to
establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.2
From http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/69653
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At the time, the head of the federal Centers for Disease Control, which assures the public of vaccine safety, was Dr. Julie Gerberding. After insisting the settlement of the Poling case was not an admission of a direct vaccine-autism link, she left the CDC to become president of vaccines for Merck. Last December she was promoted to executive vice president for strategic communications, global public policy and population health at Merck.