Mysterious Utility Box Shows Up In Resident?s Yard

This doesn't sound good from many aspects, the aspect I am currently thinking about is privacy.

At one transceiver every 500 feet, it almost sounds like everyone will be walking around in a mine field. Or sonar field, let's call it.

I'm sure that with triangulation, ping, etc., they can isolate down to the individual walking (with or without their cell phone) and now we have Government knowing, if not who, that someone is walking west on 120th avenue. I don't like it.

The other immediate concern I have is Robotics, which as I understand is a large part of why 5G is being adopted.

Robotics, the Internet of Things (IoT), Artificial Intelligence (AI) are all real things. They sound like science fiction, but they are here.

5G is here to help that technology take off. And in general, it's not good for you or I (although there will likely be a killer app, or two) it's valuable to the Government, Military and Industrial complex.

-John

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Originally Posted by def90

I've got a HECS suit, all should be well. Eventually I will be able to live my dream of being the last man on earth.

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You're a long ways from Tuscon.

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Originally Posted by Gman

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Of course they will add cameras, microphones, etc. It's basically total coverage at a 500' resolution.

-John

Speakers/Sirens... can you imagine one of these going off next to you at the next Amber Alert?

-John

With towers 500 feet apart, between triangulation and Distance to Tower data, they'll be able to locate phones to within a couple of feet, all without having to get a warrant for GPS data...

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Originally Posted by ray1970

Oh. Kind of like walking around inside a microwave once the network is up on a large scale?

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Except at 10-20x the frequency and significantly higher power. All without the added benefit of the shielding that exists in your microwave oven.

Microwave ovens run at 2.4GHz, at relatively low power in a shielded box. This frequency is why 2Ghz wifi is/was affected negatively by running the microwave.

This stuff will be at 24GHz and up (potentially up to 60GHz by the spec - most planned usage stops at about 47Ghz).

The only saving grace is that the free space loss at these freq's is pretty high, hence why they are planning antennas every 500ish feet (part of the reason - the other thing driving tower spacing is bandwidth/user.) However, being within (worst case) 30' (assuming they can mount them that high on existing infrastructure light poles etc) means we are being exposed to high frequency radiation at levels that have never been experienced before (en mass).

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Originally Posted by iego

This doesn't sound good from many aspects, the aspect I am currently thinking about is privacy.

At one transceiver every 500 feet, it almost sounds like everyone will be walking around in a mine field. Or sonar field, let's call it.

I'm sure that with triangulation, ping, etc., they can isolate down to the individual walking (with or without their cell phone) and now we have Government knowing, if not who, that someone is walking west on 120th avenue. I don't like it.

The other immediate concern I have is Robotics, which as I understand is a large part of why 5G is being adopted.

Robotics, the Internet of Things (IoT), Artificial Intelligence (AI) are all real things. They sound like science fiction, but they are here.

5G is here to help that technology take off. And in general, it's not good for you or I (although there will likely be a killer app, or two) it's valuable to the Government, Military and Industrial complex.

-John

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They can already track that with 4G. It's not the resolution that they'll have with 5G in large metro areas, but your 4G phone is tracking (at minimum) 2 towers at any given time (more common is 3+ towers). This is of course unless there is only one available (unlikely anymore).

As Tfogger mentioned, they have distance to "Tower" data for every connected device, and they can get a pretty tight pinpoint with just 2 towers and your phone.

Robotics and IoT are going to be large consumers, and yes, that poses a lot of questions/concerns for those of us that like our 4th Amendment rights, but it's all being sold by private corporations as "better access for YOU, the consumer".

Despite all the promises, the thing that the providers are really selling is better access to the "product" that they sell... Information on us. Humanity is literally their product.

Despite what Snowden did being illegal, everyone should read and understand what he has shared. It's literally terrifying the level of detail and information that private corporations legally gather and then sell/give to their buddies or any 3-letter/.gov/NGA/etc about their primary product, the people that use their services.

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

With towers 500 feet apart, between triangulation and Distance to Tower data, they'll be able to locate phones to within a couple of feet, all without having to get a warrant for GPS data...

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Yep. And they happily cooperate with LE/etc. No more warrants for location information.

Tied to the fact that Amazon, Google, FB, and all the others get permission to listen/watch via the devices we all run around with, and you have effectively signed away all expectation of privacy.

I wish I had one of those in my yard. I’d do some landscaping around it while secretly burying some conduit to my house. Just tap into it and run a circuit for a few appliances maybe the AC unit. That should reduce my monthly costs. I’m sure they would never realize they have one unit using four times the power of all the other units.

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Originally Posted by def90

I've got a HECS suit, all should be well. Eventually I will be able to live my dream of being the last man on earth.

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Mods need to change your tagline to "Tandy."

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