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Originally Posted by Pancho Villa
Apples to oranges PV. Although you have a valid point, "Their House, Their Rules" is a pretty general statement and in this case it doesnt pertain to Shaken Baby Syndrome or Jihad. A drug runner is a scumbag no matter how you cut it, some places have different ways to punish these scumbags and in this case he picked the wrong house to fuck around in. He paid the toll; His bad.
I find it very difficult to sympathize with a drug runner. Most Asian countries are very tough on drug runners and drug pushers precisely because of China's experience with opium during the Colonial period. Singapore is harder on drug users and pushers than they are on murderers. If he had issues, his family should have helped him BEFORE he committed the crime. Having said that, China's adherence to strict legal procedure can be somewhat dubious so I have to qualify my thoughts.
IF he in fact was running illicit drugs, especially with intent to sell, then China is entirely justified and I have no sympathies. The rest of the drug-loving socialists in the ACLU and other organizations can go cry in their absinthe for all I care.
Yes, death. Trafficking in narcotics causes physical death, social death, societal death (the Western powers intentionally fostered opium trade in China to undermine the society and government during the Colonial era) so why so upset about the trafficker getting some of what s/he is dishing out? The only thing that's fucked up is the ACLU view of treating a trafficker with some harsh words and counseling. There would be far fewer traffickers in the US if we didn't mollycoddle them.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenScoutII
I'm going to get in trouble...
I think we are TOO lax in our punishments. I like the "old law" way of dealing with things.
You kill someone intentionally, we kill you.
You rob/steal, we cut off your hands.
etc.
Of course there are always exceptions and that's where discernment comes in. I'm just talking about hardend, third time offenders, etc type situations. I know a lot of people do drugs and stuff as a recreational pleasure and I do believe that that is their choice. However, if they harm others while doing it....
Such as a drunk driver killing someone in a wreck. He chose to drink and drive, he killed someone, he ought to be put to death. I have no problem with drinking, or with driving, nor even with drunks driving (a lot of them seem to be more cognizant than people on cell phones, etc! HAHA). If the drunk driver just knocks down a pole or runs through a house, he should be made to pay for it personally, not taxpayer money.
Just to respectively disagree: that's what they do in shit holes like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. We're better than that. While I agree our legal system is too lax in general, turning it into some fundamentalist horror show is not the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBear
Pounding big rocks into little rocks everyday of your life till your sentence is up (if ever) is fine with me. No college degrees, no tv, no conjugal visits, no pumping iron till you're so big it takes a small army to wrestle you down, no fancy meals or medical care, no early parole. That life is fitting for most crimes and if we make a mistake at least some how it can be remedied and you can live what life you have left. Look at what's happening in TX if you think innocent people aren't convicted.
And as for the original tread: Break China's rules, pay China's price. If you don't agree with their punishments, don't do the crime in their country. I'm just glad we don't live in that shithole either.
Mutt, I see your point and will even agree to it. I guess the problem is that people in prison DO get college degrees, cable TV, hot meals, gyms, congugal visits, etc.
I guess what I was trying to say is that I sometimes think that if we "bluffed" (wrong terminology, but general idea) a more forceful attitude of "we won't put up with it" then maybe people would wisen up. I think a few public executions would do the trick, lol. Anywyas, another derailed thread.... I need to quit posting.
BigBear: Total agreement that our prisons are more scumbag free-for-all frat parties than prisons. I mean these guys actually run criminal enterprises on the outside from inside their cells. WTF??? Why do they even have the spare time and privacy to do so in prison? I am a fan of hard labor as a deterent. Dig ditches, build roads, get worked to the bone from sun up to sun down. You do this every day to repay society until you've served your entire sentence. No other benefits. If that actually happened and word of it got out, I think a lot of petty would be criminals would re-think their carreer choice.
Rgr, we are agreed. Good stuff. And they should dig with spoons, not a pick axe! lol.
Really governments have no business regulating drugs or any goods for that matter (be it alchahol, fireworks, weapons etc.). Of course we all know that China's government is waaay whacked already. China kills a lot of people who don't deserve the capital punishment.
I doubt it is difficult to give orders out of prison. You talk to a guy, he tells his girl that visits him, shit gets done on the outside. Easy as that.