I was mugged?!?!

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Originally Posted by sniper7

Just out of curiosity, why do you say it would be a hard sale if they only had a knife?

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You guys can learn from a young 28 (soon to be 29 this month! I'm old!!) year old?

Sniper7, it would be a hard sale legally for me since I do posess a blackbelt. When you acheive that "rank" you get to sign a wonderful little piece of paper (which is unconstiutional) saying that you realize that your hands can now be considered a "deadly weapon" and you are responsible for your actions, blah-blah.

So, in court, I would have to defend using a gun with no "immediate threat" as pertaining to my level. With a good lawyer, one guy with a knife would not be a threat for someone like me. The other two guys would be argued out as they did not speak a word, nor showed any weapon or "aggression". I know it all sounds stupid. If I would've shot, I would be in jail, even if I was in the right because they did NOT lay a single finger on me. It sucks, but it's true.

My last incident happened years ago and actually involved a knife fight at a bar. I said I wouldn't talk about it but to deflect any questions and to satisfy curiosity I will make a brief. I was a bouncer, guy was too drunk. I threw him out. He pulled a knife. He ended up stabbing himself several times with my help. He ended up in hospital, major damage. Dad was kind enough to teach me knife fighting as a kid and the different artierial points that are best pressured, plus my martial arts training also covered basics in knife fighting/defense. Guy in hospital sued. Since he was drunk he wasn't responsible for his actions, since I was a "papered" martial artist, I WAS responsible for my actions. He won. No money, just the ruling. Apeals court threw it out, etc. etc. 7 years it's supposed to be wiped from record, still trying to clear it.

I did not want a repeat of that, especially now being married. I prolonged point of draw as long as I thought safe.

I'd like to thank BigBear for sharing the story, I feel like I've learned from this thread- and commend you & your wife on handling the situation well..

even if they are out on bail, they'll always have the memory of that night in the back of their mind before they do it again.. I'd say the surprise looking down the barrel of 2 guns will leave a more lasting impression than even a night in jail.. but that's just my guess, as I've not experienced either...

Good discussion all around to cover all the points of view, and counters to the ones that could lead to bad endings, and why... this thread exemplifies one of the reasons I love this site...

and a reminder that it's not all practice out there..

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Originally Posted by BigBear

You guys can learn from a young 28 (soon to be 29 this month! I'm old!!) year old?

Sniper7, it would be a hard sale legally for me since I do posess a blackbelt. When you acheive that "rank" you get to sign a wonderful little piece of paper (which is unconstiutional) saying that you realize that your hands can now be considered a "deadly weapon" and you are responsible for your actions, blah-blah.

So, in court, I would have to defend using a gun with no "immediate threat" as pertaining to my level. With a good lawyer, one guy with a knife would not be a threat for someone like me. The other two guys would be argued out as they did not speak a word, nor showed any weapon or "aggression". I know it all sounds stupid, but I've been there, it's what happened. If I would've shot, I would be in jail, even if I was in the right because they did NOT lay a single finger on me. It sucks, but it's true.

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Yes definitely...Im 24[Weight]

I forgot you said you were a blackbelt, I knew a girl in school that had one and she told me something about her not being able to get in a fight because she was considered a deadly weapon.

Wow I never realized the blackbelt situation was that real as far as deadly weapon, i had always assumed she was kind of joking around/yet somewhat serious since she had so much training.

But as far as you know, for a off the street joe without a blackbelt that would not come up as an issue?

Sometimes it seems like the more you know, the better trained you are, the more fucked you are.

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Originally Posted by 68Charger

even if they are out on bail, they'll always have the memory of that night in the back of their mind before they do it again.. I'd say the surprise looking down the barrel of 2 guns will leave a more lasting impression than even a night in jail.. but that's just my guess, as I've not experienced either...

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I have this same impression. I should have elaborated when I asked BigBear if he felt there is a chance of retaliation at all. I was curious, but I seriously doubt he should be worried about it. It sounds to me like these guys were out to make a few bucks, not increase their territory by intimidating residents. You, and probably everyone in your neighborhood will probably never see/hear from these guys again. That's what I tell myself anyway.

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Originally Posted by 68Charger

I'd say looking down the barrel of 2 guns will leave a more lasting impression than even a night in jail..

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I'm still not totally convinced that they all saw my wife. I certainly didn't notice right off the bat. I know one did due to his comment. But I know that the lead guy never had a clue. He never broke eye contact. I like to read body language and people watch. The eyes though, you can always tell what people are thinking through their eyes. One of the reasons I'm a big fan of sunglasses. The guy was supremely confident at the onset with moist sparking eyes. When I started offering other takings he became subject to uncertain thoughts as his pupils started to flucuate. When he was drawn on, the pupil opened (dialated?) and I knew I had the upper hand. 10 yards or so at night and you'd think it'd be hard to see a mexican's eyes so clearly... it's amazing what that adrenaline dump does and how so focused everything becomes.

To be honest, it is now 3:15ish p.m. and the shakes are starting to come. lol. Need more caffiene!

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Originally Posted by sniper7

Sometimes it seems like the more you know, the better trained you are, the more you are held to a higher standard.

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corrected it for you (no offense intended)... true in many other places, too (Engineering, for example)

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Originally Posted by sniper7

I forgot you said you were a blackbelt, I knew a girl in school that had one and she told me something about her not being able to get in a fight because she was considered a deadly weapon.

Wow I never realized the blackbelt situation was that real as far as deadly weapon, i had always assumed she was kind of joking around/yet somewhat serious since she had so much training.

But as far as you know, for a off the street joe without a blackbelt that would not come up as an issue?

Sometimes it seems like the more you know, the better trained you are, the more fucked you are.

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The more you know in certain situations, the better in control of your emotions and actions you must be. You are certainly not f'ed up. You are more attuned as to the possibilities of what could happen and their outcomes, both immediate and long term. I would have no problem killing some one. Would I want to? Probably not.

Yes, the stupid blackbelt thing is true. If I would've know at teh time, I would've refused the "rank" and just kept training. But now, it's amazing how in control and calm you can stay even when people push your buttons.

As far as I know, an off the street joe would have no problems on defense from a 3 on 1 scenario. I am NOT a lawyer though.

Does your wife have a sister?

Erm, who doesn't mind the idea of polygamy :D

Yay, off of work. Off to sleep! See y'all tomorrow.

BigBear


Yes, she has a sister. You want nothing to do with her, besides, she's already married too.

So how long did it take you to achieve black belt status in your martial art (and which one is it?). I've always been interested in martial arts, but always find that I have less time and money than it requires.