Biometric work card

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Originally Posted by Beprepared

Look Jumpstart, the last thing I think this site needs is talk of racial exclusiveness. I don't want some member to screw up with the law, and the justice department, media, and Liberal loons, find the smallest minutia of racial talk. Then we're branded a Racist Militia.

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With all due respect, who said anything of racial exclusiveness on this site? No one that I've seen but you, with the above post. "Racist militia"? For speaking on " politically inconvenient " subjects I suppose? Geez........
Okay, I'll just shut up and line up for my biometric card. At least being bi-lingual, I'll be to jump in either the English or Spanish line.

I think a lot of economic prosperity has to do with the fact that we're the only industrialized nation whose population isn't in decline. That's true in large part because we allow in so many immigrants.

As for my welcome to the US, sorry I'm a natural born citizen. You can assume you know me based on what I say, but trust me you don't.

Your point of view will sway the majority though, no doubt. I guess we'll all find out what it's like to no longer be the largest economy on earth.

as soon as china calls its marker

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Originally Posted by Hoosier

I think a lot of economic prosperity has to do with the fact that we're the only industrialized nation whose population isn't in decline. That's true in large part because we allow in so many immigrants.

As for my welcome to the US, sorry I'm a natural born citizen. You can assume you know me based on what I say, but trust me you don't.

Your point of view will sway the majority though, no doubt. I guess we'll all find out what it's like to no longer be the largest economy on earth.

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Again I can easily combat your fear mongering with some of my own, except mine has legs. California's economy in has rivaled that of many medium sized countries, California is a polyglot of races and cultures now, California is also bankrupt now.

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Originally Posted by Jumpstart

California's economy in has rivaled that of many medium sized countries, California is a polyglot of races and cultures now, California is also bankrupt now.

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Correlation does not imply Causation. There are many factors why California is broke.

How much additional revenue could be collected if all those seasonal farmers in the central valley had taxes withheld? How much could California save by not having checkpoints on the highway 80 miles from the border?

The fiscal irresponsibility of the procession of California governments is not solely caused by illegal immigration -- though I'm sure it's a cause.

H.

Can we call a truce and a cessation to the immigration discussion? I know I participated in this as much as anyone, but it looks like its getting a bit off track and heated.

Why don't we bring this back around to the specifics of the Biometric Work Card and what we think of that specifically (not the "why do we need it" focus).

Just a suggestion/recommendation to ensure we all stay civil and friendly.

Thank you Ginsue,, I was really getting close to giving it a time out..

Agreed.

As for bio-metric ID's, I'm against them. Here's quote:

"One more problem with biometrics: they don't fail well. Passwords can be changed, but if someone copies your thumbprint, you're out of luck: you can't update your thumb. Passwords can be backed up, but if you alter your thumbprint in an accident, you're stuck. The failures don't have to be this spectacular: a voiceprint reader might not recognize someone with a sore throat, or a fingerprint reader might fail outside in freezing weather. Biometric systems need to be analyzed in light of these possibilities."

From here: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive...iometrics.html

This guy is good on a lot of security factors, not just IT securirty.

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Originally Posted by Hoosier

Correlation does not imply Causation. There are many factors why California is broke.

How much additional revenue could be collected if all those seasonal farmers in the central valley had taxes withheld? How much could California save by not having checkpoints on the highway 80 miles from the border?

The fiscal irresponsibility of the procession of California governments is not solely caused by illegal immigration -- though I'm sure it's a cause.

H.

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Yes it does. There is a direct correlation. A straight line from California's bankruptcy to immigration, legal and illegal. Yet you want to talk about a border checkpoint 80 miles from the border.
As for addtional revenue from taxing illegals in the central valley, well they all ready are being taxed IF they work. Notice how the liberal media, if it 's reputable, never bring up numbers or economics when talking about illegal aliens? If they did, it would shock and awe the public. The math is simple, illegal aliens are subsidized by American citizens and have been for the last quarter century. Illegal aliens are/have been coming in by the millions annually,decade after decade as well, more numbers you won't see.
Now do you want to talk about American culture, heritage and demographics in the context of illegal immigration? Or just about pie-in-the sky fantasy "profit" (insert eye roll) off of illegal aliens. Do you want to talk about why U.S citizens have to get a national biometric ID card because of illegal immigration? Oh, wait, we already are.

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Originally Posted by Jumpstart

There is a direct correlation. A straight line from California's bankruptcy to immigration, legal and illegal. Yet you want to talk about a border checkpoint 80 miles from the border.
As for addtional revenue from taxing illegals in the central valley, well they all ready are being taxed IF they work. Notice how the liberal media, if it 's reputable, never bring up numbers or economics when talking about illegal aliens? If they did, it would shock and awe the public. The math is simple, illegal aliens are subsidized by American citizens and have been for the last quarter century. Illegal aliens are/have been coming in by the millions annually,decade after decade as well, more numbers you won't see.
Now do you want to talk about American culture, heritage and demographics in the context of illegal immigration? Or just about pie-in-the sky fantasy "profit" (insert eye roll) off of illegal aliens. Do you want to talk about why U.S citizens have to get a national biometric ID card because of illegal immigration? Oh, wait, we already are.

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I'm bowing out of this conversation as Ginsue suggested... if you have URL's to data that shows what you're saying, PM me -- if the facts support your conclusion my mind can be changed.