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As a last resort you could always take him up on meeting at the bar and open a can of
Getting into a fight or going to court will both cost much more than the deal is worth. I would tell every single common friend you have the whole story.
You could also just start posting demands on his facebook page every single day until he blocks you- which prob wouldn't take long if he hasn't already. Enlist a friend who will take your side of the beef to put pressure on him. Embarrass him as often as possible and in every way possible.
In the past five years I've loaned money to a lot of people, "friends" if you will that were in a financial bind...
I can remember getting paid back exactly TWICE. Both were women, one DIED and he husband paid me back (really tragic story) and one is a welfare mom of four children.
Five loans to "ex military" guys who now avoid me like the plague.j
One loan was always getting "redone" by an ex-marine who put up his garand with me as collateral. He got it back, came and got a loan again - did this about three times. The LAST time he just paid me part back, and said keep the rifle - which I have. Like with any collateralized loan I've made, the person can ALWAYS get the item back, just pay me what I loaned you. I've done a lot like this, mostly I kept the items. I don't charge interest BTW. As it turns out he was simply an alcoholic who couldn't hold a job, he's a nice guy - but alcoholism owns him at the moment. It made his prior history of "making a loan good" irrelevant. just thinking, but if a lot of what he does on facebook or with friends is DRINK ALCOHOL, then there's that explanation too. Doesn't make him a douchebag, just makes him an alcoholic.
having been in any branch of the service does NOT make one more trustworthy, and being on welfare doesn't seem to make one LESS trustworthy.
LEO's don't give legal advice simply because people that ask for it, are seldom being 100 percent truthful and civil law isn't something we're trained on, except how to recognize it, and free legal advice is worth exactly what you pay for it, else you get badgered constantly for your advice.
He's a thief, pure and simple - whether he's actually taken the money OR deprived you of some property with no intention to pay for it - he's a thief. The law will see it as "civil" but remember, OJ Simpson was convicted of murder in CIVIL court, and had to pay money. Criminal court is simply a different division of the law with it's own set of rules and procedures.
So sue him in small claims court. It's easy, but not free, you have to pay the filing fee - but you can get that back at trial IF you win. Some counties have the paperwork online, you just have to go down in person to file it.
Lots of people get the wake-up call when they get served with small claims paperwork, and work out the problem without court - in which case there's a check off on the original paperwork to indicate you have settled the claim out of court.
It doesn't matter that he put some scope or money into the rifle. If someone buys a car, puts new rims on it, a new stereo and all that fancy stuff - and he doesn't pay the original lender for the car - the entire CAR is forfeited in the subsequent repossession - including any improvements to the car. Entirely irrelevant that he has "an investment" in the car. Give him his scope back, since you don't consider it to be yours - fair enough.
Odds are he'll get all huffy and just pay you what he owes - the odds are even BIGGER that this thief will go whining to his girlfriend for the money (which, like and idiot, she will give to him) about how you "used him" or deceived him. You have to be ready to be painted by him as a "bad guy" - so be it, it's what ALL thieves do - redirect blame elsewhere.
I mean, you threatened him with bodily harm to get him to take the money, right?
it's not like you loaned him money for FOOD for his children, you loaned him the money (or goods) because he WANTED something, not because he NEEDED it to survive.
Hold him up to the standard, I wish I had done so.
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Originally Posted by waxthis
no, don't do that.
brick. window. satisfaction.
edit: or, be smart an do like ldmaster says. get all the records of your correspondence and sue him in small claims, or forget about it.
Hmmmm. You could do the brick AND demand the money. double your pleasure- double your fun![Beer]
There are a select few friends that know about the situation for various reasons. Past them, I don't plan on telling any of our friends anything about this. What's between me and him is just that, and is nobody else's business (if anybody here knew who he was I wouldn't have posted anything). If I wanted to run around talking crap about someone to everybody I'd go back to high school.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneakerd
I have no doubt that he isn't beyond talking shit about me to all of them, in which case I'll have no problem setting the record straight. Until then though....
Thought about doing that, but as much as I hate Facebook its an asset that allows me to see some of what's going on when he won't communicate with me himself, and I don't want to burn that asset.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneakerd
As for enlisting a friend to put pressure on him... again, what's between him and me is nobody else's business, and I refuse to stick a friend in the middle of it.
Thanks for the clarification, especially the car bit. Correction though, the scope is mine, I told him he could use it till he got his own (which surprise, he ain't yet). I don't want to get the courts involved, but its a good card to have in my hand and it certainly worked when I played it (see below).Quote:
Originally Posted by ldmaster
Brick. Window. Temporary satisfaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elhuero
I'm still out $200 and a scope, and I give him something else to spend money on before he pays me back.
ANYWAY, I finally got a hold of him (via text, so there'd be a record), of course I had to provoke him to get a response but it worked. He got defensive and gave me the impression he had no intention of paying up. When I first told him I didn't want to get the law involved in this, he laughed and said I have no record or receipt, and that since he is in possession of the rifle the law would be on his side, and told me not to make bullshit threats. So I told him that there is, in fact, electronic record of the transaction, and that I own 2/3 of the rifle and 100% of the scope, and that the PMs were between myself and the seller where he agreed to sell it to ME, not us, and that *I*, not we, agreed to buy it from him.
At that point he opened up pretty quickly [Coffee]
He told me that when he's been going out he hasn't been spending money (which is bullshit), but he also said that he got a no insurance ticket and that he had to put $1300 into his truck and has court for it on the 23rd, and that he'd take care of things with me after that. I told him I'll back off till then and let him take care of court, but that I'd be holding him to his word and expected him to follow through on it. He responded with "sounds like a plan" and I haven't heard anything since. So I guess I just gotta wait and find out, but if I don't get some of the very next paycheck he gets following that court date that rifle is mine, and I'll either keep it or just sell it and make my money back plus some.
I bought a dude a soda at work today, and thought of this thread and knew that I wasn't getting my money back. I figure the only chance I've got is to tell him up front that I know that he doesn't have the integrity to pay me back, but I'll buy him the soda anyway.
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Originally Posted by mcantar18c
I don't mean this as an insult to you, I just evaluating the situation.
you pussed out. he is going to feed you lines of BS until rapture if you let him.
when he says "I'm not spending money", you say "stop with the BS already will ya?"
when he starts in about all is financial woes you say "ever see goodfellas? fuck you, pay me"
I can tell you from personal experience, EVERY lowlife has a sob story.
figure out how much $$ the 1/3 of the rifle is that he owns, then when he feeds you his woe is me line say, well I'll give you the $x amount of it that's yours, I get the rifle with scope and you get some dough to help with your *cough* financial problems.
after his next check when you don't see any $$, don't hear from him and can't get a hold of him, I won't say I told you so.
if he comes thru and fixes things like he said, then you can say I told you so to me if you like.
but it won't happen, I'd wager money on it.