Man, this one is going nowhere.
Tomorrow and the short period after will be very telling.
Until then arguing is a pretty moot point......
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Man, this one is going nowhere.
Tomorrow and the short period after will be very telling.
Until then arguing is a pretty moot point......
Yeah. I read the entire article. But not because I wanted to attempt to pass it off as some sort of "eye opening" piece worthy of a lot of critical thought re: the F&F scandal.
And I don't have to be a mind reader. You've put your thoughts here in black and white for all to see on this and other topics. Your political slant is no mystery.
If the previous administration DID in fact knowingly have an operation that was supposedly the same as F&F then the people responsible should also be investigated. I hate it when people defend our current admin by saying this like "well bush did this" as if berry gets a free pass and usually the things people compare aren't even relevant
When the right-wing calls me a leftist, and the left wing calls me rightest, I figure I'm where I need to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Yeah...most progressives/liberals/leftists won't admit to being a progressive/liberal/leftist.
Wow, you're just full of platitudes tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I'm late to the party I guess. apparently we have another ERNO.
SAME? No. Similar yes. A few key differencesQuote:
Originally Posted by jreifsch80
Operation Wide Receiver ran in 06-07. there were full efforts to track the weapons. ( GPS tracking.. surveillance, aircraft so on and so on )
It was carried out with the full knowledge and participation of the Mexican Government.
It was stopped after apx 300 guns had been lost due to failures in the tracking, the suspects evaded them or they were lost during the "hand off" to the mexican police.
No OWR weapons have turned up at crimes scenes ( that I have been able to find reports of at least)
F&F ran from 09-10 there were NO efforts to track the weapons the mexican government was not informed. APX 2000 guns were allowed to walk in F&F
F&F Ran till BP agent Brian Terry was murdered. F&F guns turned up at his crime scene and and many others. APX 300+ Mexican Citizens have been killed by weapons linked to F&F. Also the ICE Agent killed ( who's name I can't recall at the moment) there was evidence of F&F Guns involved in his murder.
It also appears that standing DOJ and ATF policy was to follow the straw purchasers to the next node in the chain and arrest both parties, but agents were prevented from this by their chain of command. Obviously that this was a seriously bad decision. Do we know if those who issued these orders are the same folks who can estalish policy? I also wasn't able to find any evidence that the guns lost in Wide Receiver were used in violent crimes, but mere possession of those weapons is a crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by clublights
I wonder how high up the sacrificial lamb will come from?
It probably means you're a libertarian, closest thing to a true conservative left any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rucker61