Political Ramifications of SCOTUS ruling

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06-28-2012, 14:02
Rucker61

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Originally Posted by DeusExMachina

I think everyone's being a little over dramatic.

The bill removed a whole bunch of ways that insurance companies can fuck you over. Like not insuring you due to pre-existing conditions, instituting lifetime caps, dropping you for no reason, etc. In my opinion, there's a lot of good there.

In return, if you do not purchase insurance, you have to pay a tax to the IRS. Which in 2014 will be $95 per adult. This is because there will be people who will want to wait to get insurance until they are sick, because the insurance companies will have to give it to them regardless. That is unless health insurance will cost someone more than 8% of their income, and then this fee is not applied.

This is not end of the world type stuff, people.

Don't rock the boat. Obama could cure cancer and the other side would bitch because he make all those oncologists unemployed.
06-28-2012, 14:08
MED
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Originally Posted by DeusExMachina

I think everyone's being a little over dramatic. In my opinion, there's a lot of good there. This is not end of the world type stuff, people.
- It is wonderful if you believe in government coercion if not flat out extortion.
- It is wonderful if you believe in higher insurance premiums.
- It is wonderful if you believe in higher taxes to cover expansion of medicaid when the states can't afford it.
- It is wonderful if you believe in taxing workers health benefits.
- It is wonderful if you believe in reducing benefits to seniors.
- It is wonderful if you believe in increasing the national debt ultimately destroying the economy.
All of you healthy hardworking people that produce more than you take line up and give your pound of flesh for the common good! ...you know...it is all about community and the collective good.

Yeah, it is all just f*cking great....can't want to be bent over!
06-28-2012, 14:08
flan7211

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

Don't rock the boat. Obama could cure cancer and the other side would bitch because he make all those oncologists unemployed.

Dude if they actually cared about the uninsured they could have created a federal insurance funded by tax dollars that people could volunteer for and pay for what they could. They could also have eliminated access for free riders such as frequent visitors, illegals, or the super poor. They didn't, this is a power grab and nothing else.
06-28-2012, 14:16
Zundfolge

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Originally Posted by DeusExMachina

The bill removed a whole bunch of ways that insurance companies can fuck you over. Like not insuring you due to pre-existing conditions, instituting lifetime caps, dropping you for no reason, etc. In my opinion, there's a lot of good there.

This drives me nuts, how anyone can think that forcing insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions is even remotely a good idea ... seriously its the equivalent of forcing car companies to cover pre-existing damage. So I could go buy the shell of a car from a junk yard and force my insurance company to restore it for me for free? Getting rid of the lifetime cap means they have to restore it and then modify it.

Plus, dropping you for "no reason" is just stupid ... it would be like McDonalds telling someone in line that they won't sell them a burger, all they do is lose a customer. I guarantee you most of those "dropped for no reason" folk were dropped for a reason.

See the purpose of Insurance is to protect you from an UNEXPECTED loss (and make a profit doing so), once you remove the word "Unexpected" its no longer Insurance, its Welfare. Forcing private companies providing welfare is just communism, plain and simple (and its not economically sustainable either).

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This is not end of the world type stuff, people.

No, its the end of the free world. Its also the end of the Insurance industry and probably the US (if not global) Economy. Everyone can now expect their insurance to rise significantly.
06-28-2012, 14:21
DeusExMachina

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

This drives me nuts, how anyone can think that forcing insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions is even remotely a good idea ... seriously its the equivalent of forcing car companies to cover pre-existing damage. So I could go buy the shell of a car from a junk yard and force my insurance company to restore it for me for free? Getting rid of the lifetime cap means they have to restore it and then modify it.

Plus, dropping you for "no reason" is just stupid ... it would be like McDonalds telling someone in line that they won't sell them a burger, all they do is lose a customer. I guarantee you most of those "dropped for no reason" folk were dropped for a reason.

See the purpose of Insurance is to protect you from an UNEXPECTED loss (and make a profit doing so), once you remove the word "Unexpected" its no longer Insurance, its Welfare. Forcing private companies providing welfare is just communism, plain and simple (and its not economically sustainable either).

No, its the end of the free world. Its also the end of the Insurance industry and probably the US (if not global) Economy. Everyone can now expect their insurance to rise significantly.

All I got out of this is you're comparing human life to a junkyard car.
06-28-2012, 14:23
Mtn.man

Practice you Heil Obama salutes.
06-28-2012, 14:23
Zundfolge

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Originally Posted by DeusExMachina

All I got out of this is you're comparing human life to a junkyard car.

[Bang]

Then attempting to explain it to you any further is pointless.

I know you think now all your health care worries are gone and mama government is going to take care of you and protect you from the evil greedy capitalists (doctors and insurance companies) ... but now your life will be shorter, poorer, less healthy and much less free as will mine as will everyone here.
06-28-2012, 14:24
DeusExMachina

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

[Bang]

Then attempting to explain it to you any further is pointless.

I know you think now all your health care worries are gone and mama government is going to take care of you and protect you from the evil greedy capitalists (doctors and insurance companies) ... but now your life will be shorter, poorer, less healthy and much less free as will mine as will everyone here.

Good, please stop trying to make awful analogies and put words in my mouth. We'll both be better off.
06-28-2012, 14:25
Ridge

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Originally Posted by flan7211

Dude if they actually cared about the uninsured they could have created a federal insurance funded by tax dollars that people could volunteer for and pay for what they could. They could also have eliminated access for free riders such as frequent visitors, illegals, or the super poor. They didn't, this is a power grab and nothing else.

You mean single payer healthcare? Didn't everyone freak out about that when it was on the table in 2009?
06-28-2012, 14:30
flan7211

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Originally Posted by Ridge

You mean single payer healthcare? Didn't everyone freak out about that when it was on the table in 2009?

I honestly wouldn't think that would be the end of the world as long as it was a temporary program.

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