July 1st 2013 Changes to the Trading Post

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Originally Posted by jim

There are TP RULES in place. WHICH 20% do not follow now. The hysteria and "connotation" about on lne gun sales combined with a sting operation, could make the MODS / Owners liable and face jail time for facilitating ILLEGAL Sales. It could also under RICO and or the patriot Act have every member Detained, Questioned, Charged and or Imprisoned as an accomplice.
That's the Germany you referred to.

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I havent' seen anything in these bills that could be construed to hold the owners/admins of this site responsible for squat.


I guess the Molon Labe on the back of my new COar15 hat means, (don't worry we've already taken them from ourselves.)

Another one of you? Read the comments to the thread.

If a sale is caught going through this site, Marlin, Myself and possible others could be charged or sued for facilitating the transfer. Not to mention an injunction would be almost immediate to close the TP and stop letting people sell/buy through the site, or even close the site down entirely.

Other sites that do the sales are in talks of closing down.

I'm losing patience here, FAST! I've been trying to be patient, as we all hate these laws.

GGGAAAAAHHHHH!
Just remember what Freedom felt like and vow a return to it.
(Or at least some freedom.... what they would allow us... my - we have fallen far.... :*(

That said... I will follow the rules of this site for any and all transactions conducted through here.

Accessory to a crime is already on the statutes. Facilitating any illegal act is already illegal.

Would wal mart be held repsonsible if a drug deal goes down in the parking lot?

same thing.

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Originally Posted by Goodburbon

So we're going to bend over backwards to appease them ....really? That's how we stand? God what a bunch of jello.

Why don't you just leave the trading post as is, leave it up to the end user to make the decision to comply with these onerous laws or not. Stop trying to enforce the law for the government.

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Your not doing yourself any favors here. You want to argue with the Boss send him a PM.

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Originally Posted by J

We will be instituting these new conditions that you must agree to for using the trading post:

1. You must list in any ads for a firearm (or anything considered to be a firearm, e.g. a lower) that an FFL transfer is required.
2. If you are selling a firearm, you must list a preferred FFL to conduct the transfer, however you may inidicate that you are flexible to use other FFLs as agreed upon between the seller and buyer.
3. Similar to #2, any "wanted" ads for a firearm will need to list a preferred FFL, but may leave it up to negotiation the same.
4. All magazines prohibited by HB13-1226 may not be listed on the site. This includes any detachable magazine with more than 15 rounds capacity, or for a shotgun any detachable magazine over 8 rounds capacity. It also includes any shotgun that uses tubular feeding devices that hold more than 28" of shotgun shells.
5. All extensions for magazines that can bring the capacity over the limits set in HB13-1224 will also be disallowed from the trading post.
6. No firearms will be allowed for sale, trade or wanted ads if that sale includes a magazine exceeding the limits of HB13-1224. You may sell it without mags, or get some non-banned magazines to sell with it.

You will all have to re-agree to the terms and conditions before you can post in the trading post. You won't be able to post in the trading post until you agree. You can then re-list any pending items that you had in there prior to 30 JUN 2013 so long as you don't violate these rules.

At the sole discretion of any staff member, any violating post will be immediately deleted and a warning will be sent to you for violating a minor section of the rules, or the post will be deleted and you will be given a 90 day timeout from the trading post. Egregious violations (repetitive problems or openly and deliberately disobeying the law) will earn you these aforementioned penalties and a minimum 1 month timeout from the entire site.

we do HAVE to do this for the future security of the entire club. Other sites are planning to stop allowing firearms classifieds in CO after the legislation goes into effect. We are doing everything we can to allow this to keep running, and minimize the risk of it being forcibly shut down due to non-compliance.

Thanks Brothers and Sisters--

--J

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Understood. It's your sandbox, and in order for us to continue the way we'd like to (in addition to reminding us which hoops have to be jumped through to be in compliance) we'll have to play the game. Thanks for not closing the TP down, despite a few that apparently feel reckless enough to push the envelope and bite the hand that feeds them.

Are you shutting down the entire TP? Including non-firearm sales and ammo/reloading sales? Will those all be 'wiped out' as well? We all wish it were different...

Simplest way to put it, THIS IS A PRIVATELY OWNED SITE, the owner and mods are doing what they believe is in the best interest of the site, themselves, and the members. I don't like what has happened anymore than the rest of you, but I will respect the staff members requests, or I'll get the fu$% out, I prefer respect.

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Originally Posted by sellersm

Are you shutting down the entire TP? Including non-firearm sales and ammo/reloading sales? Will those all be 'wiped out' as well? We all wish it were different...

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Not at all. In reading again...... The TP section has a trigger that is you can't see it without posting in the acknowledgement thread. I think that the couple of areas that are not affected by the new laws can be left as-is.