Now you are figuring out why I stopped offering NFA trusts.Quote:
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Now you are figuring out why I stopped offering NFA trusts.Quote:
Originally Posted by NFATrustGuy
No kidding! You wouldn't happen to have the number to that truck driving school, would you?Quote:
Originally Posted by spqrzilla
Maybe I should look into getting into a more respectable area of practice... Do you think there's room for another personal injury lawyer? :-)
Also Nanny Bloomberg: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/...un_stings.html
pril 16, 2013Michael Bloomberg's Gun Stings
ByWilliam A. Levinson
The New York Daily News lauded the effectiveness of Mayor Michael Bloomberg's sting operation in which his office hired private investigators to buy guns without background checks at gun shows. The article omits, however, a warning from the U.S. Justice Department that Mayor "Kim Jong" Bloomberg's anti-Second Amendment vigilantism has strayed into a legal gray area, the black side of which is a felony (straw firearm purchases). It is important to circulate this letter as widely as possible, noting that at least one mayor resigned from Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns when he found out about it. I am sending copies of both letters to the mayor of Wilkes-Barre, Thomas Leighton.
Mayors Against Illegal Guns is the same organization that is now running advertisements, apparently using Mr. Bloomberg's money, to attack the Second Amendment. It is also the organization of which more than 1 percent of whose members (10 out of 800) have been convicted of, or are under indictment for, crimessuch as Gary Becker's (Racine WI) attempted second-degree sexual assault of a child. James Schiliro, the mayor of Marcus Hook PA, was recently charged with reckless endangerment that involved the discharge of a firearm. It therefore comes as little surprise that New York's mini-dictator strayed into a gray legal area that, had he strayed somewhat further, might have exposed not only him but also those acting under his direction to serious criminal charges. For the record, however, a Federal judge ruled that Bloomberg did not actually cross the line that would have made his actions a crime.
Here is the text of the letter, which Michael A. Battle addressed to Mayor Bloomberg's Criminal Justice Coordinator, John Feinblatt, on February 6, 2007. The third paragraph is particularly important, and it warns the City of New York against taking Federal law into its own hands. Note particularly the phrase, "misrepresent that they are the actual purchases of the firearms when, in fact, the purchases are being made on behalf of another person or entity (for instance, on behalf of [New York] City)." It sounds like the DOJ is referring to straw firearm purchases.
Dear Mr. Feinblatt:The U.S. Justice Department is apparently not the only law enforcement agency that had a serious problem with the Little Dictator's activities.
This letter is to follow up to the recent activities conducted by the City of New York with respect to 15 federally-licensed firearms dealers against which the City filed a civil lawsuit on May 15, 2006. As the Director of the Executive Office for United States Attorneys, I am writing to you on behalf of each United States Attorney in whose district the City of New York's contracted investigators took action.
As I communicated to you in May of 2006, the evaluation and investigation of this matter is within the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). Accordingly, the materials your office provided to ATF's New York Field Division were referred to the appropriate ATF field offices for evaluation. Recently, the ATF field offices concluded their evaluation and investigation, and consulted with their respective United States Attorney's Office. The United States Attorneys' offices in each district wherein the City of New York conducted activities have carefully reviewed the matters and considered all the materials. Each United States Attorney's Office has concluded that the circumstances surrounding the purchases do not rise to a level that would support a criminal prosecution.
Although a decision has been made not to move forward with case filings in these matters, you should be aware that there are potential legal liabilities that may attach when persons outside of law enforcement undertake actions typically reserved for law enforcement agents. This risk is particularly acute when such persons, however well-intentioned, but without proper law enforcement authority, misrepresent that they are the actual purchases of the firearms when, in fact, the purchases are being made on behalf of another person or entity (for instance, on behalf of the City). In addition, civilian efforts can unintentionally interrupt or jeopardize ongoing criminal investigations.
We appreciate your interest in this matter. Please do not hesitate to contact the Department of Justice if we can be of assistance in other matters.
Convinced that illegal gun sales in Virginia contribute to violent crime in New York, Bloomberg has been arming private investigators with hidden cameras and sending them into Virginia gun stores to try to make illegal buys. The process involves "straw purchases," in which one person legally fills out a form and buys a gun for someone else.From where we sit, Kim Jong Bloomberg is a wannabee dictator if not like his North Korean counterpart, at least on the same continuum: one who thinks his billions of dollars entitle him to lord it over not only the serfs in his manor (New York City), but the rest of the country. We must make sure that every member of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, as well as the voting public, knows that the Justice Department and at least one state's Attorney General denounced in the harshest terms this individual's efforts to take Federal law into his own hands.
...[Virginia Attorney General Robert] McDonnell has sent Bloomberg a letter warning him that he and his agents could be charged with a felony if they conduct further stings without the help of Virginia or federal law enforcement officials.
William A. Levinson, P.E. is the author of several books on business management including content on organizational psychology, as well as manufacturing productivity and quality.
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I'm not a lawyer but I believe lying in order to buy a firearm is a crime. Also if the reporter lives in Denver they would have been lying to get around the Denver ban. If the seller didn't recognize the reporter, he wouldn't have Knowingly sold to them therefore not breaking the law. Maybe since they didn't complete the transaction it wouldn't have have been a crime and the cops would have let everyone walk. BUT there would be a record of the incident for other news agencies to pick up.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneGuy67
I guess my question is if you're selling private party and during the transaction you find out the other person is lying, after stopping the sale is it your duty to report them on the spot or to give their info to BATFE after the fact?
If not your duty, it's in your best interests to report the attempt to someone (not necessarily BATFE) so you have a contemporaneous record that you not only didn't aid them in evading the law but notified authorities that someone was trying to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by spongejosh
Again, I'm not looking to be confrontational here and I don't like the gonzo "surprise", "stick-a-mike-in-your-face-and-make-you-look-stupid-on-camera" journalism, but your belief that lying to someone about their name in a private transaction is a crime, isn't in the statutes. We don't know where Julie Hayden lives, so the premise that she might have broken a Denver municipal ordinance isn't relevant either.Quote:
Originally Posted by spongejosh
To try to answer your question, I believe it would depend upon what the person was lying about. Lying about being a Colorado resident, would negate the transaction as you can only conduct that private transaction with someone else who is a Colorado resident. Lying about not being a prohibited person? Maybe. I would be on board with you reporting the person to local law enforcement, state law enforcement and/or the BATFE.
I believe that you will avoid a lot of unnecessary brain damage if you just put in a small statement in your add similar to this to discourage "straw purchasers" (media) from contacting you about what you are selling.
"If you do not have any form of legal picture ID to verify age and residency we will not be able to complete this transaction."
I don't care what name they call themselves as long as the I.D. has a picture and address. If we conduct all sales with some due diligence the only real way to truly combat straw purchases is through the prosecution of existing laws.
I don't have any idea what is illegal about this statement in his report:
"They tried to buy 30 round magazines just outside Denver claiming they were legal residents of Clear Creek County."
I don't think 30 round magazines are illegal yet and I don't believe you have to be a resident of Colorado to buy one.
I just got this from RMGO. I thought that I would pass it on. If it is a repost you can trudge up here through the snow and I will apologize to you directly.
It has been brought to our attention that FOX31 reporters Julie Hayden and Josh Bernstein have been attempting to set up straw purchases via online firearm markets.
Keep an eye out for these FOX31 reporters trying to SCAM you in their "investigative reporting":
Many of our members have made us aware of these activities through a website called armslist.com.
If you are selling a firearm through this website, or any other website for that matter, please make sure that you exercise caution and your best judgment when completing a transaction.
Remember, while journalists have used these kinds of tactics in the past to paint gun owners in a negative light, they are most likely not violating any laws by doing so.
Again, make sure you are vigilant when you are conducting your firearms transactions online.
For Freedom,
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Dudley Brown
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God dammit it is a repost. Nevermind.
Stop listening to dudley, he's behind the curve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danimal