Hey now....most of the guys on here are expert MMA fighters in multiple disciplines.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
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Hey now....most of the guys on here are expert MMA fighters in multiple disciplines.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
When I was 17 I was 6 1 and 210 pounds. Benching over 300 pounds playing and lettering in several high school sports. Many of the kids these days are bigger and stronger than that. Many of these kids are constantly active , walking here and there where as most adults are not as active. Yeah we go to the 24 hour fitness, or jog but were mostly not on the move all the time. Underestimating a potential threat because of age could be a disaster.
I will be interested in hearing whether TM tried to buy some cough syrup with his Arizona Ice Tea and Skittles. A little Drank for the evening?
If GZ had been an off-duty LEO residing in the community rather than neighborhood watch, would this case have gone much differently?
When I was in uniform, 14 year olds were the most frightening individuals I dealt with. Very unpredictable and no matter how things went, I knew it would not reflect well on me or the department.
I'm not really following the trial that closely, but will be watching for the verdict and the aftermath.
80lbs of fat (no offense to zimmerman, I'm speaking from personal experience) is not 80lbs of muscle.Quote:
Originally Posted by RMAC757
What about 18 year olds?Quote:
Originally Posted by generalmeow
Very true. Hopefully the facts come out and the jurors make educated logical decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by RMAC757
Ithought you were one too? All pilots I know receive hand to hand combat training. "High guard"!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by RMAC757
Haha. The recurrent training high guard.....I still cant believe we do that every year. I wrestled and coached for about 15 years at all levels and boxed a bit but I'm just a dad now who likes to work out. My new Martial Art involves avoiding physical confrontation if possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Hopefully with that training it would of meant that one person was still alive and the other was not awaiting trial for murder.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstone
Hope is something I try never to run out of [Flower]Quote:
Originally Posted by RMAC757
Very accurate statement! I witness this all the time, saw it again a few minutes ago. If I had to guess, the young man wasn't out of his teens. About 6'2 but not "buff" by most standards, putting up 300 on incline bench like it was nothing, I can't do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by battle_sight_zero
Yep my favorite move is the lock and radio! Lock the door and make a call!Quote:
Originally Posted by RMAC757
http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/04/mi...-guilty-audio/
Michael Savage seems to think that if you carry a gun with a round chambered and the "safety off," well, you get the picture....
I think it's all about comfort level. If carrying a firearm with a round chambered freaks you out by all means leave the chamber empty. It'd be wise to train for that though and it will take a lot of muscle memory to be fast enough to defeat a threat with that extra step. I don't subscribe to that philosophy but that's just me.
I don't even know where to start with all the fail in this idiot's opinion piece...[facepalm]Quote:
Originally Posted by funkymonkey1111
My Keltec must be a mankiller for sure....it doesn't even HAVE an external safety. Much like a revolver, the safety is a function of not pulling the damn trigger unless one intends to shoot something...
I agree if you don't want to carry your CCW with a round in the chamber is your choice, but remember, in a gunfight...time is money. I prefer to keep it simple and keep economy of movement in a "SHTF" situation. If I have to rack the slide when I draw my CCW, that could've been the half of a second that cost me my ass. Again, your call...but as for me, I carry with one happy hollow-headed friend in the tube and train accordingly.
You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. If he wouldn't have had a round in the chamber, and had to rack the slide, they'd have accused him of having enough time to escape, or had an opportunity to use less than lethal force.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squeeze
"Mr. Zimmerman, so you mean to tell me, that little Trayvon Martin gave you enough of an opportunity to remove your weapon, chamber a round, and fire a shot, and you took the time to do that instead of escaping?".
As far as the prosecution is concerned, nothing you do is correct, they will dissect everything you say, and turn it around on you.
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Originally Posted by hurley842002
Tell me sir, Do you still beat your wife ?
Today trademarks "mom" takes the stand. All the "EXPERTS" agree you are unable to clearly identify whose voice is whose. YET mom is going to say, very emotionally we all know, it is trademarks voice.
Having only the basic of armchair lawyering degrees i would ask. Even though Mom was not an actual witness, does this open the doors for the defense? All the "inadmissable evidence" regarding trademarks life, interaction with the law etc, should now be allowed.
Of course in reality the whole circus has been and will be fixed regarding the outcome. No matter what this jury's verdict, someone some where will push for retrial, IF he is found innocent. If guilty the appeals process will go one forever.
Perhaps one thing we might all agree on is the "public's" reaction within the "african - american" neighborhoods. [Fire]
His dad all ready said it wasn't trayvon voice I wonder if that's going to get brought upQuote:
Originally Posted by jim
Medical Examiner on the stand.
Nice shot - heart/lung
[QUOTE=jim;1216237]Tell me sir, Do you still beat your wife ?
Today trademarks "mom" takes the stand. All the "EXPERTS" agree you are unable to clearly identify whose voice is whose. YET mom is going to say, very emotionally we all know, it is trademarks voice.
Having only the basic of armchair lawyering degrees i would ask. Even though Mom was not an actual witness, does this open the doors for the defense? All the "inadmissable evidence" regarding trademarks life, interaction with the law etc, should now be allowed.
Of course in reality the whole circus has been and will be fixed regarding the outcome. No matter what this jury's verdict, someone some where will push for retrial, IF he is found innocent. If guilty the appeals process will go one forever.
Perhaps one thing we might all agree on is the "public's" reaction within the "african - american" neighborhoods. [Fire][/QUOTE]
No Jim...No we can't. I'm not saying that some type some type of anarchy won't be incited.....somewhere. But that "African Americans" Neihborhoods will collectively riot and burn down if the verdict isn't a conviction is a bit of a broad stroke. A couple maybe, history shows that this is possible. History also shows us that blacks haven't cornered the market on murderous riots in this country.
[QUOTE=RMAC757;1216357]Please direct me to a murderous riot breaking out in this country, after a jury verdict, that did not occur in a primarily black neighborhood. I'm not definitively stating that there has not been any, just that I cannot seem to find one.Quote:
Originally Posted by jim
[QUOTE=davsel;1216373]This is starting to go way off topic but if you'd like I can point you to quite a few. I'd like to not have Trayvon Martin Part Deux from last year....too ugly. Brought out the worst in everyone. Were the following the result of a Jury Verict, I don't think so. To me a riot is a riot especially when race is involved. Look up the Riots following The Jack Johnson-James Jefferies fight, The Red-Summer of 1919, Poughkeepsie Riots, Rosewood Riots, New York City Draft Riots, Chicago Riot of 1919, Los Angeles Ant-Chinese Riots, Halloween in Boulder, Apple Store opening.....you get my point. There's dozens I didn't list. Ugliness isn't reserved for one group.Quote:
Originally Posted by RMAC757
Difficult to answer that question if the Prosecutor accepts only a "yes" or "no" answer when in your mind you know that you still frequently "beat her" --- when playing various board games.Quote:
Originally Posted by jim
SANFORD police is preparing for riots regardless of the verdict. They expect riots from the black community regardless of the verdict. http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...-verdict-video
Does posting the link make me a cracker? Seriously why wreck your community? Would we have riots in the Denver area? Doubt it but you could have an angry person assault someone because of skin color etc. Just be alert but I would not downplay the potential for problems from this situation. Does not hurt to be more aware avoid places that may produce trouble as things wind down.
Wild Bill on the pending white guy riots:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UJFM59NfXw
White Guy riots! LMAO! But he's right. In this country, anyway, white guys wouldn't do a good job of it. Now if you're a European "football" fan, who are mostly white, different story.
I think we all agree that riots suck....Soccer riots are beyond me.
What an idiot. I can't stand Savage, even I agree with some of his opinions. He shows he knows nothing about guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkymonkey1111
1. No, but I'm not a liberal.Quote:
Originally Posted by battle_sight_zero
2. Because you don't like it and you know that if you destroy it you'll get something new to trash, plus maybe you can impress some bitches with your mad rioting skilz.
3. Why not, we already have had a few years of criminal black-on-white gang activity in LoDo.
Be aware of where you are and what places your journey's will take you through.
Yes, I would suggest that you worry about them too.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
in general, I'm not worried about anyone of any age being about to take me down and ground and pound me. If i get jumped and knocked out with one punch, I wouldn't have needed a gun anyways. If someone unarmed wants to fight, or kill me, I won't say that I'm going to win decisively, just that they're not going to do to me what Trayvonn did to Zimmerman. I won't need a gun to walk away with my life.
ETA - I'm not saying all of this to brag. I never talk about my wrestling career. But you said lots of 17 year olds would beat my ass. I happen to have some evidence that isn't true.
I do not carry my gun to protect myself against unarmed people. Zimmerman would be fucked if he was an outstanding wrestler, because the jury would never believe that Trayvonn took him down and was beating him in a way that he was scared for his life. You don't think that would come up as evidence? I wouldn't believe Zimmerman. The only reason his story makes sense is because its easy to believe that a 17 year old whomped his fat ass.
i guess you have not been in a real street fight . just to let you know , nobody has a time out , there are no rules , no referee or judges , no body is gonna pull the 17 year old off you even if he beating your brains out with a brick ! greasing yourself up and rolling around with other dudes on a mat is a far cry from the reality of the street .Quote:
Originally Posted by generalmeow
Ok, I wrestled from age 5 until through my first couple years in college. Never once did I "grease myself up". I've also been had more scraps in my life than I care to admit given where we grew up. Alx.....there is/was a strong correlation between being able to fight and wrestling ( take note parents ). Wrestling is not about who's form is prettiest or what color belts you've obtained. It's straight mano y mano every time. It's about learning how to train relentlessly, fighting when you no longer have anything left and attacking when you sense weakness. You learn how to bleed....a lot, and that a shot to the head or face isn't gonna kill you. Most importantly what it's like to loose all by yourself. I'm a firm believer that kids need to learn the taste of a loss and hate it before they can ever truly become a champion. Most fights or otherwise aren't 2 guys holding their hands up and squaring up like a 1920's movie. There is usually alcohol, a woman or some other stupid catalyst involved and they happen in violent bursts. I'll take the guy who can keep control, take a shot a shot in the face and keep moving any day over black belt earned next to King Soupers. In my life I've observed more people taking flight than fight. Then again when I was younger fighting was a right of passage.....nowadays it gets you shot. What were we taking about again?Quote:
Originally Posted by alxone
i never wrestled but i did grow up in 5 points and downtown baltimore and fighting has always been something that can get you shot where im from . never seen a fair fight in my life nor have i been in fair fight. i just think its a bit naive to think because you can wrestle that you cant get beat up by hoodlums .Quote:
Originally Posted by RMAC757
I grew up in an inner city as well Alex and there is a clear distinction between "getting beat up" and being able to handle yourself. I was jumped more than once as a kid. Had the hell kicked out me a few times but was no worse for the wear. Believe it or not I got in more fights when my parents decided to move us to a mostly white, blue collar suburb outside the city for the first time. Being the first "mixed" kid in the neihborhood honed my fighting skills quickly. This is another reason why a lot of your ( not yours individually, but a large consensus on this site ) arguments make me laugh when it comes to one race attacking another disproportionally. As a kid I was on the other side of that too many times. My dad was "old school" as in handle your sh!t and don't come home crying "old school".Quote:
Originally Posted by alxone
Old Girlfriend?Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
Any chance we could open a separate thread for the wrestling guys and keep this one on Zimmerman's trial?
Okay, point of disagreement on the riot aspect of things... Yes, the King Riots in the 1990's was mostly "urban" youth destroying their own neighborhoods... yes, if Zimmerman is found not guilty I honestly believe there will be some anger that gets it's muzzle directed at anything in particular and riots could ensue. But that Wild Bill For America video is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Apparently "Bill" has never seen what CSU students under the influence of alcohol can do when things get out of hand (Hint: the majority were white), or what excited sports fans (hockey in particular) in Denver after their team wins the Stanley Cup, or in Vancouver when their team loses in the fight for the cup- again, both mostly white. Riots are not race exclusive. However, riots like this (the possible Zimmerman riot(s)) are usually stupid exclusive. What I mean is, it's mostly people who cannot accept rule of law and the decisions of our less-than-perfect justice system. Instead of realizing that the fate of George Zimmerman has nothing to do with their own lives, they take up an excuse to go "Hulk smash" things because dammit, they're pissed off. Riots or not, if he's found not guilty, he's still guilty thanks to the court of public opinion- and dipshits like Barry Sotoro-Obama, Jamie Foxx, Al Sharpton, et al. for already finding him guilty before charges could even be filed.
ETA: I wrestled in HS, for two years- just because I did that in my past doesn't make me a badass fighter. "Oh yeah, I boxed when I was 16, no matter that I'm 30 now and haven't boxed a day since, but I can still kick anyone's ass!" <-Sounds stupid, huh? Oh and wrestling isn't this "gay" sport where you're rolling around in spandex with another man... if so then UFC is also pretty gay.