Boulder AR-15 Ban

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Originally Posted by def90

A lot of self proclaimed liberals, liberal gun club members and even a LGBQ gun club member standing up for their rights.

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Good! This is essential.

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Originally Posted by jimbo

I just heard the city attorney refer to a picture of rifles with hunting stocks and proclaim that they had pistol grips.

Then I heard the technical firearms "expert" (the city armorer), tell a council member that the NFA tax stamp could permit SBRs and silencers, but not machine guns.

I don't think these people know what they are talking about.

By the way, whomever said "then don't be stupid" in response to the city attorney's request not to be laughed at is a rude jackass that is hurting our cause.

And the action continues...

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how is it these people can mock our rights, trample on the Constitution, and try to ban guns but someone says "then dont be stupid" and thats hurting our cause and he's a rude jackass?

Fuck their feelings. I for one am tired of having to walk around on eggshells around these people. They dont own me. They dont own us. Screw playing nice. Pull out the stops and take the gloves off with these people. They'll never listen to reason. They'll never listen to a valid argument of ours. They'll never consider us, our rights or our guns. Throw the full weight of legal recourse at them and say whats on your mind.

I'm a gun owner, I'm proud of it, I'll never apologize for it and I'll never give up any of my firearms no matter what law is passed.


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Y'all are wasting your time. It's a done deal. Been here 4 decades and have seen how PLAN makes NRA look like amateurs for controlling their politicians.

Dig deeper into Tom Carr and you'll find his history in Seattle was abysmal and cost the city hundreds of millions from ineptness. Boulder hired him anyhow.

FWIW I was in Whole Foods yesterday (normally avoid the place but really is the best seafood and meat in town). Standing in checkout lane, I couldn't help but notice the large chested woman with the extra small tank top. Aside from her assets, the huge NRA logo and emblem, complimented with a "Don't Tread on Me" baseball hat, was a good chuckle. Probably gave dozens of patrons the vapors. You go girl!

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Originally Posted by .455_Hunter

Thanks!

For background, the City Attorney, Tom Carr, grew up in the Bronx and came to Boulder with the following biography:

Carr has served assistant U.S. attorney for New York's eastern district, and he was Seattle's city attorney from 2003 to 2009. He earned his law degree from New York Law School and a bachelor's degree in sociology from St. John's University.

A true firearms expert!

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That's something that RMGO, NRA or whoever can use to attack his credibility with in court. They'll have no problem discrediting him and making him look like a clown on the stand.




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Originally Posted by BPTactical

[hahhah-no]

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I'll give you this because a new member with a gun related profession has popped into my head every 30 seconds since you posted this.

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Originally Posted by Mtneer

Standing in checkout lane, I couldn't help but notice the large chested woman with the extra small tank top. Aside from her assets, the huge NRA logo and emblem, complimented with a "Don't Tread on Me" baseball hat, was a good chuckle. Probably gave dozens of patrons the vapors. You go girl!

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+10000

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Originally Posted by Mtneer

Y'all are wasting your time. It's a done deal. Been here 4 decades and have seen how PLAN makes NRA look like amateurs for controlling their politicians.

Dig deeper into Tom Carr and you'll find his history in Seattle was abysmal and cost the city hundreds of millions from ineptness. Boulder hired him anyhow.

FWIW I was in Whole Foods yesterday (normally avoid the place but really is the best seafood and meat in town). Standing in checkout lane, I couldn't help but notice the large chested woman with the extra small tank top. Aside from her assets, the huge NRA logo and emblem, complimented with a "Don't Tread on Me" baseball hat, was a good chuckle. Probably gave dozens of patrons the vapors. You go girl!

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I have the vapors now.

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Originally Posted by Irving

I'll give you this because a new member with a gun related profession has popped into my head every 30 seconds since you posted this.

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Damn skippy!
Now go make us sammich's.

[Coffee]

John Caldera just spoke and was.number 42.. there are 142 people listed to speak.

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Lmao! "Hippies for guns" guy moved his way into a position behind the podium so that he and his sign are on TV

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Dude in back is flicking off the camera.

I assume the "have no use no value" and "absurd" is an enlightened anti spreading their common sense wisdom.

Maybe he's a John Birch Society member talking about the city council?

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Originally Posted by Irving

Back in 2012 when the elected officials were openly ignoring everyone speaking their opinions (what's her face was just browsing her tablet the whole time from what I remember). It'd be interesting to occasionally ask board members to recap some points made by citizens to put them on the spot if they are paying attention or not.

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When the first repeal bill came up and was in the house committee. The liberals were texting each other about what food they wanted and when I was talking all three liberals were stuffing their faces with hamburgers. I should have asked them to stop eating until I was done or asked for some fries. I didn't get to order anything.

https://bouldercolorado.gov/boulder8

live stream...if its still going


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Coucilperson Mirabai Nagel walked out when the public comments began this evening.

Dudley Browns name came up to speak 20 or so minutes ago and he has yet to show..

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She should answer for that. I wonder what her excuse is going to be?

Lovely.

Current speaker lives in downtown Boulder stated she is against the deaths from mass shootings and then follows by saying she worked for planned parenthood in Massachusetts. WTF is she doing here and how many did she kill.

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Originally Posted by hatidua

Coucilperson Mirabai Nagel walked out when the public comments began this evening.

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To her credit, she read and responded to my email and said I had excellent points. I believe she was there as well when I spoke.

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Originally Posted by Blowby

WTF is she doing here and how many did she kill.

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Hopefully someone has the balls to ask her in front of everyone.

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Originally Posted by def90

City attorney is a moron. While commenting on a photo of a plain jane 10/22 a council member asked why it would be banned and he said it had a pistol grip.

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That was the funniest thing I've seen all week.

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Originally Posted by def90

City attorney is a moron.

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That's giving him far more credit than is due based on what I witnessed this evening.

No question - they’re going to pass the ordinance.

Threads merged.

Was state pre-emption discussed during the meeting, either by the council minions or speakers?

I left around 9:45. In that time, there were 21 people (well, speakers, counting those couple that had a few in the same block as one) speaking in favor of the ban, 50 against (one guy was...weird, the whole "My lineage has been here forever, can I ignore your laws" or something), and 3 neutral or both sides.

And yet it still passed first reading unanimously. One person'd asked them "Why don't you put it to a city vote instead of passing it yourselves?" Because clearly the people don't want it, and the council can't let their voices be heard!

Oh, it was also funny, I was in the downstairs, occasionally there'd be some clapping for a well-made point, they kept whining, "Some people are feeling uncomfortable" due to the applause. I really wanted to yell out "Politics is uncomfortable!"

(I noticed that they had an officer move to the downstairs area after a few of us booed one guy who was doing the "All the men against this ban have tiny dicks". Apparently that guy didn't listen to the woman who trains other women in guns!)

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Originally Posted by .455_Hunter

Was state pre-emption discussed during the meeting, either by the council minions or speakers?

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Plenty, they claimed it didn't apply due to the 3-3 CO Supreme Court ruling on the Denver case, or something.

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Originally Posted by .455_Hunter

My thought is there is a strong possibility he has never handled let alone fired a gun in his lifetime based on that resume.

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He's fired before. He told a story how he fired a shotgun and couldn't keep proper hold of it, or something.

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Originally Posted by Kilyung

No question - they’re going to pass the ordinance.

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Yes they are. This is all mental masturbation. See my earlier post.

If it doesn't pass, I'll eat even more bacon and rejoice [werdo]

Kabuki Theater.
And this is why I decided not to go.
No amount of protest, no amount to testimony will sway their agenda.
Been there, done that-2012 magazine ban.

Today Boulder.
Tomorrow Centennial, Golden, Thornton, Westminster etc.

This state is lost.

I guess it'll be up to the courts then. Did Dudley ever show up?

Well . . . no surprise there. It was never NOT going to pass. Hopefully gets challenged in courts and knocked down--but I'm not holding my breath. I generally avoid Boulder as much as possible. One more reason to keep doing that.

Thanks for the effort for those who went to speak on bahalf of gun owners.

I was in the library watching this. The first hour or so was the city attorney reviewing the first reading text and giving his opinion of what it meant and the city council asking questions to the city attorney. Each citizen had only 2 minutes to make their point - which goes by very fast when you are presenting facts. Many of the libs were wearing bright orange T shirts - couldn't see what they said on them. They were all hung up about giving the appearance the measure wasn't anti-gun by including a provision that the new law won't apply to those who are members of competitive shooting clubs. So apparently all you need to do is start your own shooting club and invite your friends.

The councilors truly do not understand firearms at all. One asked what a "suppressor" was, and another asked if a conventional rifle stock included a pistol grip! And these people are, among themselves (without a vote), enacting laws the boulderites will be subjected to. I left after the city attorney wouldn't answer the lady who asked if they were going to put it on the ballot so people could vote on it. Nope, just plain ol tyranny. Given how bat***t crrazy my city council is (Lafayette), I fully expect them to adopt Boulder's stupid ordnance at some point. The only thing in our favor is they are 100% consumed with the whole anti-fracking movement right now and gun control may not be enough of a shiny object.

I am not saying it won't get passed, but this was first reading. It's not law yet.

I haven't had time to watch it yet. So which proposal were they pushing?

1.) Ban sales only
2.] Ban sales and possession with grandfathering and registration
3.) Ban sales and possession with no grandfathering but with exceptions

Mags limited to 10rds?

The Boulder city council is the perfect convergence of ignorance, arrogance and evil. In a just world they would all be hanged for treason.

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Originally Posted by kidicarus13

I haven't had time to watch it yet. So which proposal were they pushing?

1.) Ban sales only
2.] Ban sales and possession with grandfathering and registration
3.) Ban sales and possession with no grandfathering but with exceptions

Mags limited to 10rds?

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The proposal seems to be number 2. Mags are limited to 10 rounds... one confusing thing is that pistol mags over 10 seem to be exempted in one part of the proposal... but they're also included in another part? I believe someone spoke to that.

Part of the problem with the effectiveness of our side is these anti-gun hearings is the short time limit (2 min) you have to speak, and the effectiveness of making a canned speech like most do. In my opinion, the most effective use of the time is to refute incorrect or misleading things said by the other side. For example, some guy talked about the Virginia Tech Shooter having high capacity magazines. In reality, she shooter (Cho) had 10 round magazines for his P22, and likely not more than 15 rounders for his G19 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho. Another person mentioned that 6 students escaped from Parkland when the shooter reloaded. I hadn't read anything about that, but the impression this left with the sheep is that by making sure (since mass murderers always follow the laws) active shooters can't use more than 10 round magazines, more victims will be spared when they pause to reload. This type of reasoning is what fills their heads and needs to be countered immediately - during the "hearing". In reality, magazine limits hinder law abiding more than the mass murderers since mass murderers can bring as many mags as they way, use NY reloads, and are usually in a gun-free zone of their own choosing and won't have anyone firing back for some time.

Relative to facts and firearms, the city council are as ignorant as sheep. Ignorant people simply don't know what they don't know, and are willing to accept as fact what they hear from like-minded people. By not countering directly what is feeding their fears, in their mind they are doing what is right and responsible and may have some positive effect on future body counts. It takes those who are more articulate than me to make a dent in their thinking in 2 minutes by speaking off the cuff in this way without a prepared speech - a tall order in my opinion. Few are good at that, and the speakers who were speaking off the cuff last night were almost all jumbled, disorganized, and very far from persuasive.