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STEM School court document outlines targeting of students, cocaine use before shooting
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HIGHLANDS RANCH, Colo. -- Court documents released Thursday reveal new information about last month's deadly shooting at STEM School Highlands Ranch.
The suspects, 18-year-old Devon Erickson and 16-year-old Alec McKinney, are alleged to have opened fire with handguns inside the school, killing one classmate and wounding eight others on May 7.
The younger suspect's name is redacted throughout nearly the entire document, but one of the statements refers to Alec by name.
Erickson claimed throughout the document that he was threatened by a person whose name was redacted.
Read: Probable cause affidavit (Note: the document contains specific details from the shooting)
The two suspects had been planning the school shooting for weeks, based on separate interviews with detectives.
They talked on Snapchat the night before the shooting about carrying out the plan at school the following day.
The younger suspect said he was “super suicidal," that he wanted to get revenge on a lot of people, and contemplated killing his mother and siblings, according to the statement given by the older suspect.
According to the document, the younger suspect "targeted fellow students" who he said always made fun of him, "hated him" and said he was disgusting for trying to transition to a male, as he was born female.
The document states the younger suspect told detectives his intention was to shoot and kill those kids specifically.
After going to his home on the day of the shooting, the older suspect said the younger suspect threatened him with an ax and told him to break into his mom's safe.
They broke open the safe by striking it with an ax and prying it the rest of the way open with a crowbar, according to the older suspect's testimony in the affidavit.
The suspects painted “the voices win” with nail polish in the closet and spray-painted the older suspect's mom’s car and set the car on fire.
They then consumed cocaine, which the older suspect said he only did because he was again threatened.
The older suspect put two of the guns – a 22-caliber rifle and a Glock 21 – in a guitar case, and the other person took two others – a Beretta and a revolver.
The older suspect also said he wanted to warn people at the school, but didn’t largely because the younger suspect was nearby.
According to the criminal complaint, Erickson has been charged with two counts of murder in the first degree, one count of conspiracy to commit murder in the first degree, 31 counts of attempt to commit murder in the first degree, one count of second-degree arson, one county of permitting a juvenile to possess a handgun, one count of third-degree burglary, one count of conspiracy to commit second-degree arson, one count of theft, one count of possession of a weapon on school grounds, one count of criminal mischief, one count of conspiracy to commit criminal mischief, one count of conspiracy to commit theft, one count of conspiracy to commit third-degree burglary, one count of interference with staff, faculty or students of educational institutions, one count of reckless endangerment and two counts of crime of violence.
The documents released Thursday also state that a security guard at the school shot and wounded a female while responding to the shooting.
Police: Suspects in Denver STEM shooting were high on coke, carried guns in guitar case
https://news.yahoo.com/police-suspec...002909104.html
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Investigators say suspects Devon Erickson, 18, and Alec McKinney, 16, used cocaine at Erickson?s house before hacking into his parents? gun safe with an ax and crowbar.
McKinney, who was born female but identifies as male, said he wanted to hurt his classmates because they taunted him over his gender identity.
ETA: BEAT!
so a beta male and a coked out, mentally ill little girl. sounds like a winning combo.
This is why we should ban guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by CavSct1983
We can't have guns and be safe in a society of people like this.
/sarc
Also consistent is how quickly the Demanding Moms and Dems tried to organize on this before any of these facts are known. To a reasonable person, mentally ill teens on a coke binge is a problem in itself.
Cocaine is illegal, but people use it anyway, so just legalize it. The answer is obvious.
Who knew that giving someone testosterone that was mentally, emotionally, and developmentally confused might be a bad idea?
Sad that people even publish or give any credit to their "story" at all.
Two shooter events have unique psychological traits that usually involve a very dominant leader, who manipulates someone else into the ride.
If you believe that Devon Erickson had any intention of "helping" I've got a bridge to sell you. The fact that he is now trying to sell his co-conspirator under the bus and cast himself as the "hero" tells you just about everything you need to know about their dynamic and is typical of hardcore sociopath.
With that in mind, who do you think is the dominant manipulator, and who is the manipulated? Which version is more reliable?
I'm ignoring all the associated politicized garbage associated with this post.
'Twas pretty obvious that DE was trying to offload as much of this onto AM as possible. Good luck with that.
Yeah, that seems like defense attorney posturing. I completely ignore that stuff. If one party knew the other was going to shoot up a school and did nothing, I'm pretty sure that meets accessory to murder (but I'm no lawyer). The fact that the other party went, makes them an accomplice even if they didn't pull the trigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
I'd bet both are getting charged with murder 1. The best they can hope for is an insanity defense which will be fun to watch as Lib heads explode.
Interesting- He did what he needed to do.
School: Private security guard suspected in 'friendly fire' incident wasn't supposed to be armed
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DOUGLAS COUNTY, Colo. ? A private security guard suspected of firing at a sheriff?s officer and wounding a student during an attack at a Highlands Ranch school wasn?t supposed to be armed, according to e-mails and other documents provided Tuesday to 9Wants to Know.
Consequently, school administrators were not aware the guard had a gun, according to a statement provided to 9Wants to Know by a spokesman for STEM School Highlands Ranch, scene of a deadly attack last May 7 that was carried out by two teenagers.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/i...b-a10f0099359c
I doubt that's going to help him out much in court.Quote:
Originally Posted by .455_Hunter
I guess he could have done what all the other "hero" admin staff and teachers did... nothing
He acted in a capacity that differed from his contracted employment. I have yet to hear of the details of his heroic action. If he had shot an officer due to his negligence, I doubt anything else he might have done would count.
I heard he took one of the suspects into custody. Beyond that, he fired at what turned out to be a deputy, missed, and wounded an innocent student. Not sure how that falls into the category of "doing what he needed to do".
Good grief- The first part of that statement was a pretty damm important task.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
The second part was unfortunate, but not surprising given the situation. I guess the preference here would have been for the shooting to continue unabated while the "unarmed" security guard cowered with the other students. I guess too, that no LEO should ever respond to an active shooter because of the chance of friendly fire- I will take a Deputy getting shot at and a student wounded to prevent a massacre zone from expanding.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drucker
The guard didn't exchange fire with any of the shooters (just the DCSO). After McKinney was confronted by students and left the classroom (and admittedly didn't know how to operate the gun's safety) , was apprehended by the guard. There seems to be no information that the guard's gun played any role in that apprehension.
Yes- That would be good to know. Possession of the gun by the guard may have given him the fortitude to directly confront the perp. Maybe it caused the perp the surrender? Hopefully it will all come out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Yeah...because being sure of your target really isn't that important.Quote:
Originally Posted by .455_Hunter
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The day after the shooting, 9Wants to Know reported that investigators were looking into a possible incidence of ?friendly fire? that apparently began when the security guard saw the muzzle of a gun coming around a corner and shot back.
How do you, with any semblance of reasonableness, get tobecause I questioned the security guard's actions? That's absurd.Quote:
no LEO should ever respond to an active shooter because of the chance of friendly fire
Not only that but the guard may have violated the law by having a gun on school property. He violated the terms of the contract as far as we know. And now we have a "good guy with a gun", that wasn't supposed to have a gun, shooting at a cop and wounding a student. So much for advancing the argument of guns in schools by anyone other than a cop. I'm not discounting what the guy did in terms of handcuffing the suspect. But FFS...another way to look at it is the guard was responsible for wounding 11% of the casualties during the incident. I'm not sure how you spin that into a good thing but, hey...knock yourself out.
sometimes when i'm zoning out at the movie theater before the show begins, i imagine how i'd react if somebody opened fire and the chaos that would ensue. getting a single good shot off would be near impossible as i imagine it. Hitting the shooter wouldn't be impossible, but not shooting bystanders would be.
OK- His mistake caused 11 percent of the casualties. Let's say he did NOTHING, and the perp figured out the safety catch on their weapon. Now how many casualties are there? That's the same Catch-22 of because the person stops a mass shooting from occuring that there wasn't a mass shooting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Would you have the same derogatory opinion if the shot(s?) at the Deputy and the wounded student were fired by another responding LEO, or would that be just be an unintentional "fog of war" result of a high stress situation?
Would any of this help the guard when if/when the DA decides to throw the book at him? Probably not, but the prosecution sure wouldn't want me on the jury.
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Originally Posted by glocktoberfest
And that's the trade-off. Do you shoot into the crowd and become part of the problem, or do you find a position that limits the risk of wounding innocents, or do you just GTFO.
It's good to figure out where the exits and entrances are before the show begins. You already know where a threat may come from and where you might need to go before there's a problem.
i'd run away with my family. if i'm trapped, i duck. when he's in front of me and pointed at my family, i'd defend. apparently this is cowardly based on my previous ccw instructor. i'm supposed to intervene. i wonder what most would do. based on previous classes, my peers are eager to use their firearms.
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Originally Posted by Gman
I lean toward your values. I am not a LEO. I don't have hero syndrome. Protect yourself and your family.Quote:
Originally Posted by glocktoberfest
I grew up in the security business (dad's career) and have worked both armed and unarmed. For unarmed private security, observe and report.
If I'm going to a movie theater, it's because I'm taking my kids to see something, if someone starts shooting up the place, we GTFO if possible, if not, we bed down until I absolutely have to defend my kid's. I would love to play hero, but unfortunately that would likely increase the risk to my kid's. Call me selfish, but if other's can't be bothered to value their lives enough to implement a plan to defend themselves, why should I put my children's lives in jeopardy for them?Quote:
Originally Posted by glocktoberfest
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Hang the sheepdog
I don't even know what to say to someone who thinks that it's OK for another to shoot at a cop because he saw the muzzle of a gun, miss, and wound an innocent person. On top of that the person who shot wasn't even supposed to have a gun. I feel like I'm in an alternate universe.
I suppose the security company should tell the parents of the wounded girl to just suck it up and take one for the team.
I believe in being a good witness. UNLESS BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT i have a good shot at said threat. I'm not taking the fall or lawsuit for dropping a fleeing person.
BESIDES, as mentioned before myself and family come first. Anyone else is on their own.
The difference between a round or 2 fired at a target @ 7 yards has a different POI than one @ 15-20 etc. Between the time i'm on the threat and ready to take the shot who knows who while fleeing, has decided to pop up from their cover and run in front of me.
Of course this was hashed out in the shoot we had (started by CStone) a few years back. While some successfully engaged a target at X yards. There was no one shooting back.
I didn't say it was OK, but it unfortunately happened in the course of engaging and stopping an active shooter event where students had already been shot in another location within the building.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
You didn't supply your response if it would have been LEO on LEO/3rd party friendly fire versus Security Guard on LEO/3rd party friendly fire. Both events would be bad, but one is not more bad than the other in light of what was occurring. This wasn't just another normal morning at the STEM school when some wacked-out security guard pulled out an unauthorized weapon and just started shooting at make believe bad guys.
You guys are going to lose your shit when an active school shooter is stopped by another student with an "unauthorized" weapon. Unfortunately, it will probably happen sooner than later.
I'm not LE and did not get my CC permit to be one. I go it to defend myself and my family. I will be the best witness I can but will not actively seek to be a "Hero". I will get me and my family to cover to defend or get away from the trouble if at all possible. My family's safety and well being is the most important thing that matters to me. However, if confronted I will not hesitate to defend.
I feel for the guard, at least he tried to do something to stop the carnage.
Well, yeah, you kinda did...Quote:
Originally Posted by .455_Hunter
And, no, it's not OK for LE, or anyone else, to wound innocent people. It happens. And sometimes the outcome is worse than other times. Doesn't make it OK. In 15 years as a cop including 13 as a police firearms instructor, it was never, ever, considered OK to wound an innocent person through what would basically be considered negligence...or for any other reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by .455_Hunter
And there's nothing to be gained by speculating what might've happened had he not fired. Because he did fire. We have no idea how any other scenario might've played out regardless of how much you want to believe this guy saved lives. We only know one outcome...the one that happened.
OMG...that's exactly what happened (minus the "wacked-out" part). He fired his unauthorized gun at the muzzle of another gun. He had no idea what was at the other end of the gun if, in fact, the reporting thus far is accurate. And I'm gonna assume it is because I doubt he'd intentionally shoot if he knew it was a cop holding the gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by .455_Hunter
I'm gonna bow out of this while I can still be civil. I respect your opinion but I think it's extremely misguided.
In the 12+ years I taught carry classes I ALWAYS emphasized the gun you carry is for your protection and the protection of people you really care about. My teaching partner (current federal LEO) and I always advised against interjecting yourself into a potential lethal force encounter unless absolutely necessary. There's basically only one good outcome...you might prevail and survive. There are an unlimited number of negative outcomes and the law of unintended consequences will always jump up and bite you in the ass when you least expect it.
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
That's fine. Events, like this or the Black shooting in Aurora, can be Monday Morning Quarterbacked to death.
Forums would be pretty boring if everybody agreed about everything. On this board, I get accused of being too Liberal in some threads and too Conservative or Libertarian in others.
You signed my wife's CCW Training Class certificate and I definitely appreciate it.
Yes- Absolutely true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
[Beer]
To good discussion.
Before we cast judgements. I would wait for more facts to come out. Right now the narrative is controlled by the entities involved and for their own interests. Like it or not the facts in this event will take months and years to come forward. In fact we likely will never know all the facts and we will receive versions of the event that suit and compliment each entities involved version. I see lots of deflecting right now. Garuntee the lawyers and event reputation mitigation consultants are advising what to put out. It is a chess game of PR.
When and if I carry(it is no ones business)I do so to protect my wife's life and my own.
Don't know if this has been pointed to yet, but here's a breakdown of how anti-gun adults we're really behind the highly-politicized
"Student-organized STEM vigil".
https://ilwd4cr.home.blog/2019/06/04...rado-shooting/
O2
Also heard this morning that the older perp's next hearing was pushed back and that the 16 year old will be tried as an adult.