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Originally Posted by eddiememphis
I agree with the above, but it shouldn't have mattered if there wasn't a live .45 Colt round in firing position.
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Originally Posted by eddiememphis
I agree with the above, but it shouldn't have mattered if there wasn't a live .45 Colt round in firing position.
while he had his finger on the triggerQuote:
Originally Posted by eddiememphis
Makes ya wonder if they were filming while this happened? I can't remember reading if the camera was rolling, or they were just setting up a scene. If it's on film, that would make for some good evidence on what happened.
Obviously, if his finger was on the trigger the gun could go off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
There are plenty of experts writing and making videos showing it is impossible for the gun to fire otherwise. Most of them are talking about new guns, not older ones with unknown history.
If we take him at his word, that he didn't touch the trigger, how could the gun have fired?
I am no Baldwin fan. He is a blowhard and a fool that knows nothing about actual firearms and their safe handling.
I am trying to figure out if his story is mechanically realistic.
Personally, I think he's digging his own grave. John Schneider did an excellent video talking about the protocols for handling a weapon on set and they involve checking it at every stage of handling.Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiememphis
Having said that, I remember reading Westerns decades ago that talked about modifying the gun to make it easier to fan so it's possible that this gun was modified. If so, that should have been noted and explained by the armorer. I have no basis to judge her competence in this regard other than the presence of live rounds on set and her general appearance (which really has nothing to do with her competence but is obviously pejorative in some circles). It should all come out in the wash as long as the investigation is independent and competent. I have no faith in it being so with AB being Hollyweird royalty but one can hope.
John Schneider back with another great observation:
https://youtu.be/0Sa5LIfNaKs
I hope the investigators are watching his channel.
I do have enough information to believe the armorer is a piece of shit. When the initial details kept changing from e.g. an hour and a half to ten minutes etc. And then she has the audacity to blame an invisible conspiracy, yeah... Changing stories and deflecting blame. Classic signs of a piece of shit of any hair color. If she had a modicum of decency she would have expressed sincere condolences, cooperated with investigators and kept her mouth shut. Instead her only though is deflecting responsibility away from her however possible.
Unless it's a video of him shooting an arrow with dynamite taped to it, I question his expertise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ytB...=BrianColtrane
Unlike Baldwins handling of this incident, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxtArt
Both are probably cut from the same cloth. One is just marketed at a higher price.
You question his expertise in what -- film production protocols with handling weapons? personally handling weapons? Did you even watch the segment? The observation in question was about the discrepancy between AB's self-described actions and reactions versus what one would expect from someone who was expecting a dry-fire click and got an actual boom.Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiememphis
Your assessment of his expertise is based on ... your own involvement in film and TV production? your personal knowledge of HIS knowledge in handling weapons?
I think his comment was a tongue-in-cheek reference to Schneider's Dukes of Hazzard character activites (as represented in the YouTube link he provided). But I could be wrong.
Friday nights as a kid was awesome, Incredible Hulk and Dukes of Hazzard, back to back from 8-10. Those shows paved the way for me to stay up later since during the week I was in bed by 8.
If I remember correctly, they used dynamite on the arrows because they weren't legally allowed to own firearms because they were Just a good ol' boys, Never meanin' no harm, Beats all you never saw, been in trouble with the law since the day they was born.
Never saw a better use of a Dodge Charger than Bo, Luke and Daisy did.
You're not. I am guessing Aloha didn't get the reference- he seemed pretty upset.Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
Battle- they were on 5 year probation for running 'shine. That's why they were forever trying to evade the clutches of Rosco P. Coletrane and his dipstick deputy Enos.
I too watched the show every Friday night.
Never saw a better use of jeans than Daisy Dukes!Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
They have a search warrant for Baldwin's phone now
You ever wonder why Daisy never slide across the hood of General Lee ?………Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
The same reason she never slid down a bannister setting side saddle wearing them short shorts?..
https://youtu.be/937zhQ27XK8
Hood damageQuote:
Originally Posted by SideShow Bob
Let's keep it clean folks.
Headlines are being written that Baldwin "refused to voluntarily" give his phone to LEOs. What really happened was his attorney said the LEOs should get a warrant.
I cannot stand Baldwin. But I have no problem with his insistence on a warrant.
"Detective Alexandria Hancock said in an affidavit attached to the warrant for Baldwin's phone that officials asked the actor to voluntarily turn over the phone, but that his attorney told them to seek a warrant."
https://www.conservativereview.com/s...%20CR%20Weekly
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Originally Posted by theGinsue
Oh, I recognized what you were referring to and wasn't upset but the statement about "questioning his expertise" was just stupid. There were no qualifiers. It sounded like a typical blow-off because he's an actor and performer. It would be like questioning Jay Leno's expertise unless he's telling a joke -- clearly some actors know what they are talking about when it comes to firearms or cars or other subjects.Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiememphis
It was a joke. Lighten up, Francis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
she'd be stuck to it, like a plunger ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SideShow Bob
The Girl files suit against the weapon supplier.
It gets stranger from there, fingers pointing at everyone else, rumors of sabotage.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...n-alec-baldwin
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/h...on-1235152905/
Everybody’s fault but hers.Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiememphis
As eddiememphis said, everyone's fault but hers. I mean, god forbid the armorer be able to check the ammo for an unfired primer. <sarcasm> It's not like you can see the primer when putting six rounds in the cylinder, is it? </sarcasm>Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiememphis
Weren't there reports of them doing target practice on set after filming was done for the day? If so, she already had a practice of keeping live rounds on set or nearby. I still assign 98% of the blame to Alec but the whole point of her job was to ensure the reliability AND SAFETY of the weapons.
I hope they quickly get 12(b) attorney fees against her and shit all over her publicly. The only place she should be working is burger king, cleaning the bathrooms after close, and I do hope this stains her career permanently thanks to the internet.
Mistakes happen, that doesnt erase fault. Issue is, we should have zero tolerance for the lack of responsibility. If she would've owned up to the possibility of a mistake...
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CNN — FBI testing of the gun used in the fatal shooting on the movie set of “Rust” found that the weapon handled by actor Alec Baldwin could not be fired without pulling the trigger while the gun was cocked, according to a newly released forensics report.
The report found that the gun, a .45 Colt (.45 Long Colt) caliber F.lli Pietta single-action revolver, “could not be made to fire without a pull of the trigger” with the hammer cocked at the ? and ? positions. It also found that when the weapon was fully-cocked it “could not be made to fire without a pull of the trigger while the working internal components were intact and functional.”
FBI examiners observed an internal malfunction of the gun during testing at the fully-cocked position, with the report noting “portions of the trigger sear and cylinder stop fractured while the hammer was struck.”
The FBI report noted the limitations of the forensics testing, saying “it may not be possible to recreate or duplicate all of the circumstances which led to the discharge of a firearm without a pull of the trigger.”
I read that last night.
It looks like he had his finger resting on the trigger. As he pulled the hammer back, he either let it go or it slipped with enough spring force to ignite the primer.
So, technically, he didn't pull the trigger.
He is, as many assumed, simply a dumbass with no idea how to safely handle a firearm.
The hammer will not go forward unless the trigger is pulled to the rear position. If I have my finger on the trigger and it is pulled back and I cock the hammer and my thumb slips the hammer will go forward and fire the gun. I have seen many people hold a revolver with finger on the trigger when cocking the hammer.
Baldwin screwed up and killed that woman and injured that man. He should go to prison just as you or I would if we did what he did.
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Originally Posted by wctriumph
This is exactly how Zane Grey explained his protagonist's fast draw in one of his many novels written over a century ago. The gunslinger kept the trigger depressed as he pulled the gun out of holster then he used the rotation of the pistol and his thumb to pull back on the hammer, releasing it as he got it on target. I think Baldwin likely read some of these same stories and knew exactly what he was doing except that he thought he had blanks because he didn't check the gun or ammunition when it was handed to him. Like a typical liberal, he's just trying to avoid the penalties for his bad decisions. Nevermind the fact he killed a woman and severely hurt another man.Quote:
Originally Posted by wctriumph
Baldwin is a dick.
…. but by this logic filming any movie like John Wick, Die Hard, Scarface, etc would be impossible.
Dont think any studio is gonna pay a headlining actor to empty each prop gun, inspect each round, and personally reload while they maintain proficient knowledge of how each firearm will be adapted to cycle blanks all while filming since this will obviously have to be done on set to ensure the actor is the last person to touch said firearm.
True enough, but, as you said, Baldwin IS A DICK, so fuck him!Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdown
Some producers invest heavily in training actors to properly use firearms for the scenes they will be using firearms. There are some great videos of Keanu Reeves and Halie Berry doing live fire training for the Wicke movies. Training with live ammunition.
Semiautomatic movie guns are specifically modified so that they cannot chamber and fire actual live ammunition. Like the guns the ammunition is specially made for film use. No reason that every other firearm used for tv and motion pictures can’t be modified in the same way.
No reason that any actor can’t be properly trained in proper firearms safety. Every time.
Rules for the, not for me
This buttplug will continue to speak out for gun control while using guns in every movie, just like that Taken dude. Baldwin will see no consequences from this from a criminal perspective.
Oh come on, don't be so meldramatic. It was a six-shooter. It take nothing to flip open the cylinder and see that either there are holes in the back of the brass if they're dummy rounds or that there are no bullets at the front of the cylinder if they're blanks. He probably spent more time walking from the prop desk to his mark on set. There is a reason they hire an armorer (and as a producer, he was at least partly responsible for the quality of the armorer they had on set) to check the ammunition and weapons but as someone who has been in many productions with firearms, it's unreasonable for him to act as if he was a newb who had never handled anything more than a water gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdown
I am willing to bet John Wayne and Clint Eastwood knew the states of their weapons when they handled them and before they pointed them at anyone.
The relevance of the FBI report is that his bovine excrement about "it just fired on its own" doesn't fly.
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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
Baldwin is a dick.
... But you are implying different rules for different kinds of guns based on action type and capacity?
I am not speaking of all the peripheral garbage he has spewed, just that actors cant be expected to be experts or check what should be already checked.
How the hell would Heat of ever been filmed?
What if it was brake failure on a brand new vehicle on set? Actors should go through entire car to check all safety systems, seatbelt tensioner, fuel lines for leaks, etc?
And training an actor on how to use a firearm so they can look more authentic is a lot different than unloading each gun and inspecting every cartridge, 6 gun or 100 round drum, rules and expectations should be the same.