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http://rawjustice.com/2010/11/19/dis...-tsa-pat-down/
That...made me mad.
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Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
If YOU touch a child like that your goose is cooked, you are done. life as you know it is over.
You'd have so many officers beating on you screaming "COMPLY!" you'd think you had "Everlast" Stamped on your ass.
But you know with the hardened threat of 3 year old Caucasian Toddlers, The TSA is just keeping us safe.
I understand the need for rules, but there should never be a rule in this country that advocates the striping of our constitutional rights and the uncontentious victimization and molestation of a child by ANYONE.
Thing is, had they waited for the baby to calm down, given her back the teddy bear, explained it to her, Said "OK, Teddy is going to walk through the detector, and he will meet your right here." (2 feet away) The whole situation may well have been averted and there would have been no need for the groping and fondling of a toddler as well as the ensuing PR nightmare.
Logic, Patience and Understanding.
Dad knows.
Did this get posted yet?
HR 6416 - American Traveler Dignity Act
I'll be contacting my reps, not that it ever matters...Perlmutter is a major tool and the email replies from his office in the past have always just told me I'm wrong.
"Hey Tom, can you come over here for a minute please? I found this white unlit fuse inside this ladies panties. What should I do?"
"You idiot, that is a tampon string".
Wow, there is some serious ranting in this thread! I'm all for profiling, I'm all against political correctness and the BS that comes with it. You know what, if they feel the need to search me and accidentally touch my "junk", so be it, because if some other asshat has something hiding near HIS boy bits then I'm damn glad it's been searched.
Air travel is nothing more than an bus that flies and there is nothing special about it, it's a choice like taking the train or any other form of transportation, so these idiots who complain can walk for all I care. Since this "bus" is also a potential missile, the extra steps by TSA don't piss me off one bit unless I miss my flight - but if I get there two hours ahead of time as recommended then I never have a problem, and I travel quite a bit.
I will, however, admit that there are plenty of things that need to be done to make this process a bit more tasteful - that thing with searching prosthetic limbs of frightened children, that needs to be done WITH the parents and I see no reason why not.
Let's face it, TSA are basically a bunch of union mall security guards - it's not like we are dealing with the military here, so we have to remember that for $12 an hour you get stupid crap that pisses people off.
And in my book, if you resemble in any way a terrorist, strip search! I don't give a rats ass about profiling, if you have your African ceremonial garb on then sorry bud you have to have it checked. And if you look like a white meth head, then those false teeth have to come out too.
Ranger, would you change your appearance when going to a different country just so you didn't appear to be an American?
If I had nefarious designs in that country, sure, but I'm a law abiding citizen with nothing to hide. I assume you ask this because of the African Ceremonial Garb statement, and yes I understand that whoever is wanting to take a plane down will likely not LOOK the role, I was simply making a point.
So you're so proud to be an American, that you'd still dress and look like one in other countries, if it meant mandatory strip searching at every airport you go through? You wouldn't have any complaints about that?
Profiling may work in Israel, but it will be impossible to work in such places as La Guardia airport in New York.
The 9/11 hijackers weren't dressed in their ceremonial death garbs when they boarded the plane. They wore button down shirts, kakis and they shaved off the man pleasing beards too. Hell I bet they showered sometime that week too. All in an effort to slip past screeners and carry out the plot to kill Americans. It worked. Profiling won't work forever the people pulling the strings of these sacrificial lackys will think of a way around it. And they can wait a long time too.
You’re correct that profiling won’t work in every case but it can definitely cut down on the number of people needing to be screened.Quote:
Originally Posted by DOC
(This part is not in response to Doc and just a general comment) There are some people who are obviously not a threat and there are people who have to fly for a living so saying “don’t fly if you don’t like it really isn’t an option” What if you had to get a pat down and breathalyzer test every time you had to drive to work? Driving isn’t a right either.
I’ve been through these screenings 9 times in the last two weeks and it’s just getting worse.
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Originally Posted by Anton
I think you meant "subject" in place of "citizen".
Atleast that's how our government sees us. F**K the TSA. I think profiling works. It is working in other countries like Israel.
profiling isn't just about how people look.
it's about a person asking simple questions and gauging people's behavior.
if we had an israeli system here I bet it would have worked on 9/11.
One question. What is your favorite thing about America?
I wish some bad mofo (like a heavyweight boxer) caught one of these government paid pedophiles molesting his kid and just stomps his fucking teeth into a puddle of mush.
Its bullshit like this that just grinds my gears. Looks like im driving to my next out of state destination. Id be arrested if i tried to fly right now because Id let the sick fucking pedophiles know,LOUDLY, that they are nothing but sick perverts who get off on lording their "power" over children and little old ladies.
Whats next on the list of how to piss of an American? A health check before you can buy junk food? Its not a right. A breathalyzer before you can order that second beer at the ball game? I could actually believe that one. I know im kinda grasping at straws here but im trying to make the point that the more and more of our NON-innumerated rights that we allow our elected criminals take from us, the easier it will be for them to strip away our constitutionally GUARANTEED rights.
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Originally Posted by ERNO
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Originally Posted by DOC
I think you Guys are confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by th3w01f
In Israel, They don't profile you by skin color.
The don't care what you are wearing.
You are treated the same if you are wearing Dishtaya or a Yammaka.
The ask you innocuous questions.
Hi, how are you today
Where are you coming from?
They profile human nature.
They get into your head and observe how you react.
You could be a Caucasian/white Female with a child, Everyone is treated the same and spoken to in the same manner.
If your body language and speech hang you up you are pulled for security.
and for those that say " it wont work here because its different."
Bullshit Human nature is the same regardless of your ethnic background, religious beliefs or political orientation.
It's called psychology.
"ye know, dat der fancy head dokter stuff."
give it a read
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/ne...filing-Feature
Now, allot of people are crying "Racial Profiling!"
speaking as a person that used to fly in and out f the Middle-east to the U.S. at least twice a year... that's already happening.
If you read the whole article, they are not profiling based on ethnicity, they are looking at behaviours and micro expressions that even the most accomplished of liars cannot control. Their security is multilayered and many of those layers are transparent to the traveller. Their record of safety is unquestioned, and the level of inconvenience is extremely low(unless you're a terrorist). I can't be certain, but I have read somewhere that the number of people they employ for security is roughly half, per passenger, of what the TSA uses. The difference is that they are extensively trained, and are using techniques that are effective. Think about this: They have had exactly ONE security breach in the last 5 years, at an airport that has roughly 80 percent of the traffic that DIA has, smack dab in the middle of the Arab world.Quote:
Originally Posted by ERNO
Exactly, Israel aint playing around. They just get shit done[UZI]
give everyone a knife and someone will take down the f*cker before he can do anything
Naw give em all guns...........Quote:
Originally Posted by patrick0685
then who is gunna hijack an airplane?? even if they got 10 guys on one plane.. they would still have 200 guns pointed back at them ........
i was going to originally say that, but some ass clown would shoot out a window and test the pilots skills, but anyway arm them all and they will resort back to there chicken shit way of mailing bombsQuote:
Originally Posted by clublights
So, am I the only one totally okay with people not having guns on airplanes?
yeah but they could move all the airport x ray and explosive detectors and crap to the post office and FedEx/UPS.. the lines at airports would be so much shorter! LOL [ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by patrick0685
Yes. The only one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
OK...there might be one other person.
I'm up in the air (no pun intended). There will be the suicidal passengers who will off themselves in the lavatories. That would suck on long flights. At least with knives, the stewardesses will have a chance against hostiles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
I think I've come up with my new arguement for the anti gun types.....
" Bomb's are illegal but I still have to get my junk felt up every time I get on an airplane... "
I just read the below else where. Interesting about the luggage aspect...
I worked as an airport police officer just after 9/11. At that time civilian screeners were used to man the checkpoints. When TSA swooped in, roving bands of 10-12 of them wandered the concourses randomly screening people who had already pa...ssed through the checkpoint and were waiting to board their flight. In a short period of time, TSA spent BIG bucks on printers on the top of baggage x-ray machines which they did not use to the tune of $80,000 apiece and 1000's of bucks for radio earpieces which were used for about 2 wks. and then discarded because they were uncomfortable for the users. Many of the screeners had never seen what a disassembled pistol looked like on an x-ray machine during training. I took mine apart and sent it though the x-ray in a bag and more than half of them could'nt identify all of the parts. Other than a re-arrangement of the equipment at the checkpoint, I really could see no difference between the civilian and TSA screeners. If anything, one was safer flying when checked by the civilians because they knew what they were doing. It is all smoke and mirrors, folks and I saw TSA grow into the monstrosity it has become. Personally, I will never fly again. How can you be truly safe when they don't check the cargo going into the belly of the plane? Kind of stupid if you ask me.
did you see the latest:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856...ews/?GT1=43001
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40278427...ews/?GT1=43001
these should piss off a bunch of people
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Originally Posted by patrick0685
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40289750/ns/travel
the man that raised his right hand in less that 2 years ago and swore to defend the constitution is saying that its OK to fuck the fourth amendment
And im surprised because, he hasn't done shit for us yet why would this be different
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Originally Posted by gnihcraes
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Originally Posted by gnihcraes
WIN!
Hmmmmm, I see possibilities.
Hide your junk
http://www.rockyflatsgear.com/images/T/xctmp7LOaXd.png
Someone on Peter Boyles last week suggested the same thing using the Denver Police bomb disposal trailer. I think this is an excellent solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by gnihcraes
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Originally Posted by Stuart
Due to the very real safety issues associated with the use of a firearm in the pressurized passenger cabin of commercial aircraft, I am against the presence of firearms in the possession of anyone on the plane (in the cargo area, no - it's fine). The solution is to provide or allow tazers to/for the passengers. Stun devices don't pose any danger of piercing the cabin but would certainly incapacitate someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Airline tickets need to come with warning labels like everything else does these days:
http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/t...nNY_labels.jpg
The Warning says: "Prior to boarding, passengers may be physically violated in a manner legally
consistent with sexual misconduct or subject to potential long term health risks and humiliation
from full body imaging found in security screening systems."
I'm not an expert on the subject by any means and my comment to Stuart was tongue in cheek, BTW.Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
But everything I've heard from commercial pilots leads me to believe that bullets piercing the skin of an aircraft don't pose much of a threat to the safety of the aircraft. There's always the chance the bullet could damage a critical system or electrical wiring or something of that nature...but most systems are redundant.
I don't think there's a huge risk of depressurization from a bullet hole.
Again...that's just what I've read and heard. Of course, there are other risks.
My business partner is an FFDO...he's said a bullet hole (even more than one) through the skin of the plane is really not on the top of his list of worries if he were ever to fire his gun during a flight.