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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I've read that the guy is a known "activist" and was filmed earlier in the day with a motorcycle helmet. And that he was chatting up the person who caught it on camera. No idea if accurate.
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I've read that the guy is a known "activist" and was filmed earlier in the day with a motorcycle helmet. And that he was chatting up the person who caught it on camera. No idea if accurate.
Well, I am exactly ten years OLDER that the old fart, who may possibly have tripped over his own feet after that push/shove, but if I saw a squad of cops heading towards me to clear the area, I still have enough common sense remaining, to make a quick 180 degree (U-Turn) and get out the hell out of their way. You poke the bear and he may just make you wish you hadn’t messed with him........ [blaster]
I understand some 75+ can throw 85mph fastball, and hit 90mph change up. I am sure pete rose can at age 79.
Whereas some of 75 takes 3 seconds after green light to roll forward at 15mph slower than a speed limit.
Perhaps that guy who got shoved needed about 3+ seconds what the hell is happening and act on it.
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Queens guard version
https://youtu.be/EZn_9CmzST4
I'm not calling you out or anything here, but in your years of LEO service, have you ever seen an officer do something untoward to the point that it would warrant it being reported to a supervisor or whatever? If so, did you do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I think "part" of the problem is police not policing themselves and calling out the bullshit excuse of "bad apples". Yes, assholes exist. Call them out and get them out of policing.
Guv Cuomo issued a stand down order State wide in NY to all LE depts on (iirc) thursday. I agree lets get a protest going in front of their homes and see the results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Never. Worst thing I can recall is an officer on my team (I was the supervisor) lied to me about backing into a light pole and causing minor damage to a car. I had an occasion or two where a fellow officer pulled some bonehead stuff that put me in danger when dealing with people...but that was always handled between the two of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by GilpinGuy
There were the lazy types that always had an excuse for not handling calls or finding excuses to divert from certain calls forcing someone to handle stuff in their district. Everyone knew who those guys were and usually avoided helping them. If a fellow officer was down 4 or 5 reports and got dispatched to another call, someone would always offer to take the call for them. The lazy guys would never get that type of consideration.
But nothing like unnecessary use of force.
I was sued by a kid for $17M. He fabricated a story about how I hit him in the head with my hand/flashlight/nightstick/gun (it was always a different item when it was shown his story didn't make sense). The family notified the FBI and they cleared me. Then it went to trial in federal district court and after a week long trial the jury found in my favor in a matter of minutes. It was obvious he was lying. Mom and dad were convicted felons and looking for money. Their attorney knew I didn't do it but he was getting paid so he didn't care.
BG, did you feel that there was a culture of "don't tell on one of your own"? I don't know, but he asshat that killed Floyd had something like 17 complaints filed against him in 20 years. You had 1, it sounds like. But no other officer noticed anything wrong with this guy?
Like I wrote, it just "seems" like cops aught to protect themselves by calling out the shitheads and getting them out.
I'm sure it's worse in serioisly urban areas like Chicago or NYC, so maybe you haven't experienced it as much. But the perception of cops covering for each other when bad shit happens is no bueno.
I seem to recall bad cops in MN had the attention of the prosecutor, Presidential candidate Amy Klobuchar, and she didn't do anything about it. She deferred to grand juries. Then you have police unions protecting bad officers. So, maybe it's not just the officers protecting themselves?Quote:
Originally Posted by GilpinGuy
I know some cops and the stories they tell, and defend, of "just doing their job!", wouldn't fly here at all.
Having a complaint made against an officer is not what I would use to decide whether an officer is bad. After all, not many people are happy when you arrest them and it isn't totally unheard of for people to deflect by making counter-accusations. No one knows bad officers like the decent officers working alongside them. In some agencies/departments it is possible for officers to bring misconduct to the attention of management. In some agencies/departments, it would be pointless because management is just as bad as the worst officers. And in too many agencies/departments, management is bound by ridiculous public sector union protections that force them to reemploy some total shit bags.
The percentage of bad officers to adequate officers or even good officers is not high (except in some notorious police departments; New Orleans and Miami-Dade come to mind). The problem IMO that eats at most personnel is apathy. At some point regardless of how enthusiastic and well motivated someone is to help people, everyone eventually begins to hate certain aspects of their job. They become disillusioned, feel like what they are doing is not appreciated or recognized and in many cases resented by supervisors and the community. It can be a little deflating to see the same people on the street, doing the same things that you just arrested them for a couple nights before. Sometimes you even wonder why should you bother since no one else gives a shit. If left unchecked, this can lead to the "just don't give a shit" syndrome. When I was watching that former officer that killed George Floyd, all I saw was an officer who didn't care. He didn't care about the person he had in his custody. He didn't care about the new officers he was supposed to be training. He dug his heels in and cared even less as people on the sidewalk called him names and tried to get him to care about Mr. Floyd. Does racism exist? Sure it does. Is it the problem that it was forty or fifty years ago? Not in my experience it isn't. IMO, Mr. Floyd didn't die because of racism. He died because the officers who were responsible for him when they took him into their custody just didn't give a shit.
Just a thought, when you don't care about your job, the people you work with, and the people you are charged with serving, find another profession. Because if you don't, some day your bad attitude just may come up and punch you right in the balls and put an orange jump suit on you. You just may find yourself ground up in the same judicial system that you have been feeding people to for the past decade.
It's a cliche, but no one hates bad cops more than good cops. If you can't turn bad cops in, then you need to get away from them as fast as possible. Just kneeling next to a bad cop might cost you your job and get you put in jail.
I still can't believe I made it to a full pension. God must love me...or maybe he thinks my wife deserves to be taken care of in my old age.[Flower]
Be safe.