ZIMMERMAN TRIAL LIVE LINK

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Originally Posted by battle_sight_zero

Yes I posted in this thread quite a bit because I cared about the case. As someone who has been a victim of violence and wounded both physically and psychologically I had sympathy for the situation. I did not go cower in my closet after my incidents I recovered, analyzed and learned from them so that I could avoid them and be prepared if something else happened. Basically I rooted for Zimmerman while most of the media did not left or right. Since this is a firearms related website and I like firearms, I post on this forum mostly about firearm related issues. Quite frankly it was nice to create post that others could relate too on this case and read other members thoughts and ideas about was going on. Admit it or not many of us can go to our workplace and talk about related issues because of potential misunderstandings. To chat on Facebook you risk creating a firestorm with your friends and family. Quite frankly with the laws that were passed in Colorado and the way things have been politically for several years one does not find many positive avenues to talk about firearm related issues in many other social settings. Yes I do research what the other side is saying if I so inclined, not something I frequently do but if it is important to me I will do that. My posts on this matter are starting to decline on this Zimmerman case , and I hope my next outburst of posts will be talking about and overturn of the Magazine and Transfer laws, quite honestly I rather be hunting, fishing, trading, buying and shooting 15 rounds or more than creating a post![Beer]

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I hope we can divert our attention to collectively getting our local laws overturned. At the end of the day most of us have a lot in common and a lot riding on this stuff.
[Beer]

If all you can see is the color of a man's skin, you will never know the man within.

Goodness and evil have no color.

As Americans we either have faith and confidence in our institutions, like the jury, or we have a lot of work to do to replace them with something better.

Anyone can destroy but it takes someone who loves something to build it up and make it better.

Be safe.

So I know Sen Reid, Al Sharpton and other local 'activists' have already cried for a civil rights trial and I'm not sure how that will play out with the FBI already concluding that this wasn't a race hate crime (even though everybody thinks it is) but how about the civil trail.

Per what I found, if he was acquitted of both 2nd and Man, then I'm thinking he can't be sued but not sure. Any other internet lawyers care to poke you noise at this one?

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/.../0776.032.html

The 2012 Florida Statutes




776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s.943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).
History.—s. 4, ch. 2005-27.

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Originally Posted by cofi

travon was a gun owner and therefore im assuming a second amendment supporter i think he would be in support of the stand your ground laws

http://www.yourblackworld.net/wp-con...un-trayvon.jpg

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ugghhh look at the daylight between the beavertail and his thumb/forefinger, that thing'll stovepipe for sure. Also keep your finger off the trigger, hotshot.

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Originally Posted by brokenscout

So when do the riots start? And a new push for gun control

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breakfast wasn't even done on the west coast before this shit appeared.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...tml?cmpid=yhoo

President Barack Obama called the killing of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin “a tragedy” for America that should lead citizens to ask if they are “doing all they can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis.”

THis should be fun

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Originally Posted by jim

breakfast wasn't even done on the west coast before this shit appeared.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...tml?cmpid=yhoo

President Barack Obama called the killing of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin “a tragedy” for America that should lead citizens to ask if they are “doing all they can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis.”

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Originally Posted by brokenscout

THis should be fun

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Just following Rahm Emmanual's philosophy.

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Originally Posted by cstone

If all you can see is the color of a man's skin, you will never know the man within.

Goodness and evil have no color.

As Americans we either have faith and confidence in our institutions, like the jury, or we have a lot of work to do to replace them with something better.

Anyone can destroy but it takes someone who loves something to build it up and make it better.

Be safe.

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Fantastically well stated.


In response to the many comments about BO's statement that we need to work on stemming the tide of gun violence, I agree, this is something that needs to be worked on. I do not believe, however, that the Zimmerman case has anything to do with gun violence. In my mind, gun violence is the criminal use of firearms to commit violent acts against another person. As such, self defense does not qualify. We have more and more criminals in places like Chicago, New York, DC, LA, etc. that know the general law-abiding public is unarmed. These individuals have no issue with doing harm to someone else to get what they want. If the foolishness of the laws restricting the lawful use/possession/carry of firearms for self defense could be overturned, the criminals would have to contend with the possibility that their victim could turn the tables. Perhaps then the tide of gun violence could be stemmed. But if those communities choose to remain naive to how the lawful carry of firearms makes for a safer society, then their misguided sense of safety will continue to plague them with violence, often with deadly consequences.

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Originally Posted by Goodburbon

The liberals on my friends list contend that
1. there was racism, that was the root cause.
2. The confrontation was initiated by Zimmerman, because he followed, and stand your ground applied to Trayvon as he was standing his ground.


I reminded them that they were wrong, the trial was over, and it wasnt decided that way. Their friends swarmed with emotional retorts about killing a child, hunting a black child, black men better be careful out there as the system allows whites to kill them...and all "liked" each others statuses, as if it is some sort of vindication.

Some men, you just can't reach.


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It's pretty simple, wasn't any violence until he made it so, following/watching someone is not illegal, attacking someone is and can be (as in this situation) deadly. What's wrong with having a conversation, on either side - "why are you following me? and "who are you and what are you up to?" versus attacking someone. Why couldn't HE simply go home as folks seem to think George should have done? Instead he chose to play the thug and paid the ultimate price.

I occasionally interact with folks I don't recognize in my neighborhood and the conversation is always (so far) simple and non-violent. How can Liberals so easily dismiss Trayvon's role in the outcome? Profiled, not profiled, racist or not, followed, scared or not it only came to this tragic result through HIS action. Specifically he chose to escalate what could have been a brief conversation (or a short dash home) to physical violence. What exactly does the rest of it matter? I will never understand those folks who operate on pure emotion with no regard to plain simple fact.

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Originally Posted by Whistler

It's pretty simple, wasn't any violence until he made it so, following/watching someone is not illegal, attacking someone is and can be (as in this situation) deadly. What's wrong with having a conversation, on either side - "why are you following me? and "who are you and what are you up to?" versus attacking someone. Why couldn't HE simply go home as folks seem to think George should have done? Instead he chose to play the thug and paid the ultimate price.

I occasionally interact with folks I don't recognize in my neighborhood and the conversation is always (so far) simple and non-violent. How can Liberals so easily dismiss Trayvon's role in the outcome? Profiled, not profiled, racist or not, followed, scared or not it only came to this tragic result through HIS action. Specifically he chose to escalate what could have been a brief conversation (or a short dash home) to physical violence. What exactly does the rest of it matter? I will never understand those folks who operate on pure emotion with no regard to plain simple fact.

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Good post, and what I've been trying to preach the whole time, yours was just better preached lol.