DHS checkpoint refuals,lol

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Originally Posted by ImNtUrBuddyGuy

So the US is a war zone now? Last time I checked someone getting pulled over is not the equivalent of being an enemy combatant.

Don't get me wrong, I believe in being kind and courteous to police officers and most of the time these guys are just doing their job--I just don't like the idea of having random checkpoint everywhere, it reeks of police statism and is a clear violation of the 4th Amendment.

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Somewhat quoting the guy you quoted with a CDL. I have a Class B CDL with HazMat endorsement. I had to pass through both and FBI and TSA background check to get the HazMat endorsement. When I go to the airport, I should be able to flash my DL that has the HazMat Endorsement and walk right through security. After all, its what the TSA agents get to do, so why can't I? I passed the SAME background check the TSA agents have to pass to become employed by the TSA.

Putting the ethics/legality of these checkpoints aside, I'm curious, am I the only person posting in this thread who has actually TRAVELLED through one of these DHS/BP checkpoints?

And I haven't just travelled through it once or twice. I drove over to Las Cruces 3 times per week both Fall and Spring semesters (well, averaged about 2.5 times as work sometimes prevented me from going over there) and multiple weekends with my Fiancee. I have to pass through the checkpoint right next to White Sands National Monument coming home from Las Cruces.

Also, at least 5 times heading home from the airport in El Paso. If I had to make up a number, I would say I have gone through them at least 75 times.

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Originally Posted by BuffCyclist

Am I being detained?

Asking that over and over no matter what question the BP agent asks you is being belligerent and frankly, quite rude. If you don't want to answer their questions, the get your facts straight and know what laws/amendments/whatever they are violating by asking you the question and interrupting your travel.

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The agent never answered the very pertinent question that was being asked. The citizen needed to know the answer in order to be able to either leave or exercise their 5th amendment rights. I guess that I would have to say that the agent ignoring the question that was being repeatedly asked was acting in a belligerent manner as well.

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Originally Posted by sturn18

The agent never answered the very pertinent question that was being asked. The citizen needed to know the answer in order to be able to either leave or exercise their 5th amendment rights. I guess that I would have to say that the agent ignoring the question that was being repeatedly asked was acting in a belligerent manner as well.

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True, its a question standoff. Neither person wants to answer the others' question or they'll show weakness. But the DHS/BP agent has a gun...

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Originally Posted by BuffCyclist

Putting the ethics/legality of these checkpoints aside, I'm curious, am I the only person posting in this thread who has actually TRAVELLED through one of these DHS/BP checkpoints?.

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I've been through the drug checkpoints they set up in North and (mostly) South Carolina on several occasions while driving to visit my dad. I see no reason to stop travelers on an interstate freeway with a checkpoint for anything without specific knowledge or evidence of a crime being committed.

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Originally Posted by BuffCyclist

True, its a question standoff. Neither person wants to answer the others' question or they'll show weakness. But the DHS/BP agent has a gun...

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....And a sworn duty to uphold the US Constitution. Only one person in that situation has a duty to give in and only one person in that situation relies on lack of awareness of one's rights to do his job. Seems legit.

How long before DHS moves from cars (an extension of your home) to your home?

You don't have anything to hide, do you?

That is the direction this is going, DHS has 70 years of Soviet intrusion to look at and see what works best or what can be modified to work better.

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Originally Posted by roberth

How long before DHS moves from cars (an extension of your home) to your home?

You don't have anything to hide, do you?

That is the direction this is going, DHS has 70 years of Soviet intrusion to look at and see what works best or what can be modified to work better.

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Well, the TSA has already got this covered with their "See something, say something" campaign. Turns your neighbors against you and they'll rat you out if you are transporting a gun to your car. And your vehicle is not considered an extension of your home in all states. I know it is in CO and NM, but I believe I've heard there are other states where it is not because you can not carry concealed in your car without a CCL. [Dunno]

In a couple of the segments it appeared that the vehicles were going through established border checkpoints. I dont have a problem with being questioned when going over any border. I do dislike random checkpoints but lets say were being invaded from a non hardened point.. However what really gets me angry is that nothing is really being done at our borders control illegal immigration or stop a potential threat from using it for access. Like this video it is freakin joke. I would like to see fences, sensors and security on our borders and also for our government to send people back who illegally enter. All these people to our Country sadly is a resource of cheap labor and potentially a huge new block of democratic voters. Secure the damm border and send the law breakers back. Reform immigration to the whole world and take the cream of the crop. Its an honor to be a American. Also did I miss something? The officers in this video were border patrol agents with arrest powers and generally pretty good officers who get their hands tied by nonsense. TSA is just a force of gropers and rejects I certainly would no cooperate with TSA on the roadways because they certainly are not law enforcement.

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Originally Posted by BuffCyclist

And your vehicle is not considered an extension of your home in all states. I know it is in CO and NM,

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It is NOT an extension of your home in CO