RUFKM? Judge orders Colorado Cake Maker to serve gay couples

Up until about 30 years ago we as a society had a few values that for the most part, every walk of life respected.
Love of country.
A respect for something greater than ourselves.
A love of family.
Respect for our elders.
Care of the child.
A basic moral structure.
Respect for the schools.
Respect for authority.

With the onset of the entire "its not fair" mentality brought on mainly by the liberal mindset these things have been eroded into nothingness.

I do not understand the "gay lifestyle" and I am a pretty open minded and objective person. I can understand the drunken night in college or a wild party type scenario but as far as a fulltime life, it is sick.
It is a perversion and abomination.
Now you might say who am I to put my moral values on another.
I am nobody.
But there are basic values as humans we are bound by.
And homosexuality is not one of them.
One of the hardest things I ever had to do as a young father was explain to my then 6 year old son at the "Taste of Colorado" why two men were kissing.

One of my customers put it quite well and neither of us are religious people:
"If you set the Ten Commandments as an outline for life, you have a good format to live your life laid out."

Pretty well lays it out IMHO.


No attack on Merl at all, we have a different point of view on the subject and I respect his view. I was simply countering his view.

I know my view on the subject goes against the grain of what we are being fed on a daily basis. I think it is wrong and it is disgusting.

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

Up until about 30 years ago we as a society had a few values that for the most part, every walk of life respected.
Love of country.
A respect for something greater than ourselves.
A love of family.
Respect for our elders.
Care of the child.
A basic moral structure.
Respect for the schools.
Respect for authority.

With the onset of the entire "its not fair" mentality brought on mainly by the liberal mindset these things have been eroded into nothingness.

I do not understand the "gay lifestyle" and I am a pretty open minded and objective person. I can understand the drunken night in college or a wild party type scenario but as far as a fulltime life, it is sick.
It is a perversion and abomination.
Now you might say who am I to put my moral values on another.
I am nobody.
But there are basic values as humans we are bound by.
And homosexuality is not one of them.
One of the hardest things I ever had to do as a young father was explain to my then 6 year old son at the "Taste of Colorado" why two men were kissing.

One of my customers put it quite well and neither of us are religious people:
"If you set the Ten Commandments as an outline for life, you have a good format to live your life laid out."

Pretty well lays it out IMHO.

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I don't see where the second part of your post fits in on the list in the first part.
Nevermind, I agree with Jumpstart's post.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Why is merl being attacked now?

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I do not feel like my particular post was an attack. The first part was a statement of fact from the CDC, the second was simply my own observations on morality and ethics.
There are clearly plenty of folks who agree and folks who don't, but there was no ad hominem to Merl and certainly none intended.

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Originally Posted by Irving

I don't see where the second part of your post fits in on the list in the first part.

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I do, personally. Part 1: What have our morals traditionally been?
Part 2: Why are our morals eroding and changing?
It is a fair question. I don't blame gays for this, but as a whole and for a variety of reasons, we are going away from the traditions and values that served us well for approximately our first 190 years or so.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Nevermind, I agree with Jumpstart's post.

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I do too, but part of capitalism is being your own boss and deciding who you do and do not wish to business with.

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What is moral is up to you. Actions that others take that do not affect you are not to be determined by your morality.

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So as long as person A murders person B, neither of whom you have a connection with it is okay with you? That is end conclusion of your statement. That is just re-packaging of "Values Clarification" and in concert with the religion of "Humanism" which is in conflict with the founding principles of America. It is really just a "less progressed" version of the current liberal agenda. While I can understand some not liking it, the liberal mantra has been to change the moral compass in the USA so that there is no absolute, and no morality. I have plenty of friends who would never claim to be "Christian" but hold to a moral compass which is in line with Christian values. Once you toss that aside, the moral compass of the nation is now undefined. History is clearly in favor of a country WITH a moral compass and opposed to those nations who fall into deviant behavior that reduces the value of human life and or condones homosexual practices. The course has been set and the ship has sailed, so, IMHO, this is all just an academic discussion that only serves to differentiation those with whom you personally may agree, and those with whom you do not.

Fundamentally, you can not legislate morality. The "law" is only followed by those who value the law. Those who do not value the law will defy it, and in the case of America, change it so that the law no longer has integrity nor morality.

I strongly support tolerance for LGBT persons. However, there is a boundary between tolerance and forced endorsement. One might argue where individual cases fall versus that boundary, but I think that these kind of cases are attempts to use the judicial system to force endorsement.

Murder = consensual sex?

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Originally Posted by MarkCO

I hope he fights this in court. Regardless of the issues, a private business can choose who they want to do business with, that has been established all the way to the SCOTUS.

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^^This

In some peoples' eyes it might make the guy an asshole, but it is his business and he can be that asshole if he wants to be. I wholeheartedly respect his right to choose who he serves. That judge overstepped his bounds as did the ACLU.

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Originally Posted by Kraven251

^^This

In some peoples' eyes it might make the guy an asshole, but it is his business and he can be that asshole if he wants to be. I wholeheartedly respect his right to choose who he serves. That judge overstepped his bounds as did the ACLU.

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That has never stopped them before.

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Originally Posted by MrPrena

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This pretty well takes care of the situation. My dad had a tavern many years ago and a similar sign was posted in plain view for ALL customers to see. Don't recall him ever refusing service to anyone but the sign was there IF a situation warranted it. If four drinks would make a certain customer drunk and if the old man had already served that customer his first three drinks, the customer would not get the fourth drink. If the customer created a "scene" due to the refusal, he'd get his ass kicked out promptly.