TERRORISM, WIN, LOSE OR DRAW? (No Poll)

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

There have been many people that have said that Islam needs something akin to a "Protestant Reformation" movement. The sad truth is that Wahabism and what we call "radical" Islam IS that reformation. Read the Koran ... Islam is rotten at its core.

Raymond Ibrahim wrote a great piece on this very subject.

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I was talking about something more than reform... more like the book of Mormon, meant to fundamentally change the religion... but sadly, it would only possibly lead to a new sect, but the existing radical sect would continue it's destructive path... (nice article, BTW) every religious sect or denomination is born out of some disagreement, and religion is a creation of man.

I'm of the opinion that Islam is Satanism by another name... Allah is referred to as "a great deceiver" in the Quran itself, and another book refers to Satan as "the father of lies" Could it be they're referring to the same?

You cannot defeat the ideology of fundamentalists. You can win conventional wars against nations, but you can never defeat an idea. Jihadists have taken everything the Soviets, US, England, and every ally therein have thrown at them and not done so much as bat an eye. They do not fear death, destruction, or defeat. How can you possibly defeat a man in war who welcomes his own demise? How can you threaten men when they have nothing to lose? They're willing to sacrifice their own wives and children in the name of the cause, so even if you were a true sadist, you couldn't even threaten their families; they'll gladly give them up as a way to propagate the heartlessness of the west.

These men are truly from another eon. They have no qualms about war and will never surrender their beliefs or cause.

I believe the Islamic "reformation" spoken of will come by way of the 12th Imam (Abu al-Qasim Muhammad or Mahdi).
Just as Jesus Christ gave Jews and Gentiles a new covenant, the 12th Imam will give Muslims a new covenant.
However, just as the Bible is to the Koran and Jesus Christ is to the Mahdi, the new covenants will be in opposition.

Both the Bible and Koran prophecy that a leader will arrive and bring about a period of peace - followed by the Apocalypse.
Educate yourself and do not be fooled.

As for winning or losing, we have no power over it. The outcome is predetermined.
Best I can do is try to come out the other side alive, and help as many others as I can do the same.

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Originally Posted by 68Charger

I'm of the opinion that Islam is Satanism by another name... Allah is referred to as "a great deceiver" in the Quran itself, and another book refers to Satan as "the father of lies" Could it be they're referring to the same?

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Oh absolutely. I believe that Mohammad was borderline insane (likely a high functioning schizophrenic) and honestly believed that the "Angel" that dictated the Quran to him was the Archangel Gabriel but was instead Lucifer (or one of his minions).

Start comparing Islam, "Progressivism" and Baal worship and you'll see a lot of overlaps. For one thing I find that anywhere you find hatred of Jews, you find Satan's fingerprints.

A turn for the worse...provided they've got the correct materials how much time before they get Iran to make a dirty bomb for them.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07...wnplay-threat/ - ISIS seizes uranium from lab; experts downplay 'dirty bomb' threat

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Originally Posted by merl

I think the actual threat is extremely overrated, if they managed to get one Boston a year does that really matter?

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An acceptable loss eh, what if the people murdered were your family?

I know people who lost people at the Twin Towers, it ain't fukken acceptable and neither is what happened in Boston.

Pearl Harbor - 2,350 dead, including 68 civilians, and 1,178 wounded

9-11 - 2,977 dead, including 55 military personnel.

So...which one was a war? How do you ignore such a threat?

After pearl harbor we had the Japanese Empire standing there saying "Yep we did that." so we proceeded to be the crap out of them.
After 9-11 we had the Taliban standing there saying "Yep we did that." so we proceeded to beat the crap out of them. (but they are still there)

Are we going to unilaterally start invading folks now? That did not go so well in Iraq but I suppose we could do Syria, Iraq(again), Iran, Somalia, Libya, Nigeria, etc. The thing is, that will not stop the guy with 1000# of HE that notices sailing into the US on a pleasure boat is wide open. It won't stop the one that decides to walk across the border from Canada and plant a few hundred pipe bombs at the next Bolder Boulder.

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An acceptable loss eh, what if the people murdered were your family?
I know people who lost people at the Twin Towers, it ain't fukken acceptable and neither is what happened in Boston.

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Very tragic for those involved but there are some things you cannot defend against. The cost of defense (through offense in this case) is too great and doesn't actually create any defense.

There is a couple of ways to "win", but no one will actually do them. Top of mind:

You fight and ideology with the weaknesses and fears of that ideology.
You remove the ideology in its entirety.

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Originally Posted by merl

After pearl harbor we had the Japanese Empire standing there saying "Yep we did that." so we proceeded to be the crap out of them.
After 9-11 we had the Taliban standing there saying "Yep we did that." so we proceeded to beat the crap out of them. (but they are still there)

Are we going to unilaterally start invading folks now? That did not go so well in Iraq but I suppose we could do Syria, Iraq(again), Iran, Somalia, Libya, Nigeria, etc. The thing is, that will not stop the guy with 1000# of HE that notices sailing into the US on a pleasure boat is wide open. It won't stop the one that decides to walk across the border from Canada and plant a few hundred pipe bombs at the next Bolder Boulder.

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Very tragic for those involved but there are some things you cannot defend against. The cost of defense (through offense in this case) is too great and doesn't actually create any defense.

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I think the actual threat is extremely overrated, if they managed to get one Boston a year does that really matter? ^^


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NO ATTACK on US soil is ACCEPTABLE. Maybe from the safety of your keyboard it is. For those of us who have lost friends and family members in TERRORIST attacks, we disagree.

America is more concerned about Political Correctness and what some illegal alien thinks, than the safety & security of it's citizens.