Active shooter reported at Oregon college campus

Still no identity of shooter. Guess he doesn't fit the media narrative.

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Originally Posted by 68Charger

They do... but in the end, only lawyers win: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...dbc_story.html

Originally the victims won, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...mxET_blog.html
but it was overturned by VA Supreme court.


Debated this with our CSO (chief security officer)... he got VERY defensive when I accused him of just caring about $$ the company had to pay, and not about lives of employees... typical liberal, thinks that only police and military should have guns.
http://articles.courant.com/2014-02-...on-julia-pryde

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Well, I consider any place that I have to be (work)... if they have a "no weapons policy" responsible for my safety. And if something were to happen, they take on that responsibility for my safety just by denying me my ability to defend myself.

Are places that don't allow guns responsible for the lives of people who don't carry guns? Real question.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Are places that don't allow guns responsible for the lives of people who don't carry guns? Real question.

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Why not? When you as a proprietor or administrator of a property actively deny a person's ability to take a gun to a gun fight (or allow that person's ability to exercise their inalienable right to even the odds to defend themselves.) I believe that you yourself as the person who is denying that right takes on the responsibility of that individual for which you are disarming to ensure that they are as safe as they could be.

For those that choose to NOT carry guns, that proprietor or administrator of that location/property also is advertising that "hey come in you should be safe because we do not allow anyone (even criminals) in here with anything but their hands, and you should have as good a chance." "mano Y mano" than anyone else. And we are taking on the responsibility to even the odds if someone does not play fair.

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Are places that don't allow guns responsible for the lives of people who don't carry guns? Real question.

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The ruling from the Aurora theater lawsuit, cost the movie chain $$$. It also got them to put metal detectors in. Like that's going to stop someone who already opened fire, prior to the detector.

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The ruling from the Aurora theater lawsuit, cost the movie chain $$$. It also got them to put metal detectors in. Like that's going to stop someone who already opened fire, prior to the detector.

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Or comes in through a side door. Security theater. No pun intended.

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Or comes in through a side door. Security theater. No pun intended.

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The ruling from the Aurora theater lawsuit, cost the movie chain $$$. It also got them to put metal detectors in. Like that's going to stop someone who already opened fire, prior to the detector.

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Yes, moral of the story is that creating gun free zones and security checkpoints does absolutely nothing. I will be responsible for mine and my family's safety TYVM and screw the gun free zones.

Looks like the bastard was a conservative atheist based on his dating profile. They're also saying an AR was involved.

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Looks like the bastard was a conservative atheist based on his dating profile. They're also saying an AR was involved.

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So was there no right answer to the "What is your religion?" question?

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Looks like the bastard was a conservative atheist based on his dating profile. They're also saying an AR was involved.

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Nope. looks like he may have been a Muslim convert.

Charles Johnson with the scoop http://gotnews.com/breaking-confirme...r-uccshooting/

(gotnews.com seems to be getting hammered right now so it may take a few reloads to get the site to display)