Abuse of police authority - Arrests nurse when she refuses illegal search

I ran into a retire police commander a while back, he is OLD. I recalled my interactions with him from a long time ago when I was lots younger. He is such a level headed, sensible person that I compare him to Andy Griffith style. My dealings with him were always like dealing with an old School principle. This is how I wish law enforcement still worked. My fear is law enforcement is going to follow the politics path and scare away most of the good people because it's not worth the trouble. Then only the sociopaths or ego maniacs will be left, much like most politicians.

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Originally Posted by ben4372

I ran into a retire police commander a while back, he is OLD. I recalled my interactions with him from a long time ago when I was lots younger. He is such a level headed, sensible person that I compare him to Andy Griffith style. My dealings with him were always like dealing with an old School principle. This is how I wish law enforcement still worked. My fear is law enforcement is going to follow the politics path and scare away most of the good people because it's not worth the trouble. Then only the sociopaths or ego maniacs will be left, much like most politicians.

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This is not the case though. We don't have a PR problem as someone pointed out we have a media problem. And partially you are right, there are tons of people that are good cops that don't want to be cops because they are tired of a lot of the fallout from the bad media. And good people who don't even want to apply. I can tell you over and over again how many times are background investigators rule out the wrong people. But the one officer you see in a video is every LEO nationwide. BY a long shot.

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

Yeah, that is a catch 22. The media perception is a real problem. E.g. the "same cloth" arguments. I don't have a solution to the two edged blade.

Without the media - the troublemakers are generally protected by the existing system in many departments, and it can get quite bad.
With the media - a certain part of our population (generally the same one that flings the word "racism" at every turn) levies a bias upon an entire class of people because of the actions of one or two. Ironic.

Many fundamental problems with our country. I wish the justice system was constructed in an entirely different fashion from our foundation - it's not the LEO's fault. There is a real perception of unfair treatment in the justice system, which has citizens casting blame upon innocent parties (Good LEO) - if they would ever fix the underlying judicial system (dating from the middle ages) it would help. It'll never happen, however.

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Honestly I blame police administrators a lot. There seem to be a lot that have forgotten law, didn't realize law changed, or think they can do whatever they want because of their position. Countless times I have been questioned because of a decision a commander made or higher. Additionally countless times I have seen commanders go out in public and either give terrible information to the public or completely sell out their officers when their officers were 100 percent right, only because the person made an unfounded complaint. These administrators go after the officers that don't make a stink. The ones that come to work everyday without issues and don't complain about work and do what they are supposed to do. They are easier targets than the guys that have constant issues. I've seen this in a multitude of police departments and I also have seen some change where some very well educated leaders are getting promoted which inspires me.

I think if we promoted real leaders who were educated we would see a lot less issues as well. Part of it is when a police department just chooses "yes men" or the person that was there the longest to promote.

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

........... more viciousness than a pit-bull after a propane salesman. ......

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Dang, what does the pit-bull have against propane salesmen??

[Dunno]

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

For each case in the news, there's an unknown multiple that do not get the attention and the shitbags remain employed.

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And for each case in the news there's hundreds of thousands of good deeds that go unrecognized every single day because they're just like anyone else. Good people doing their jobs. No one here is making an excuse for this guy in case you haven't noticed. Some are just trying to be reasonable without jumping on the "he's a shitbag" bandwagon. That's obviously too much to ask of a lot of people.

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Originally Posted by KevDen2005

Honestly I blame police administrators a lot.

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Exactly why I left the profession after 15 years. Bureaucrats and administrators. Patting you on the back with one hand while stabbing you in the back with the other. That and I got tired of being everything but a cop.

And maybe it's just me, but in my experience a "shitbag" officer's worst enemies were other officers. The "shitbags" weren't always recognized or acknowledged by the higher-ups for what they were, but they certainly were by their peers. And their peers usually avoided them like the plague. It was like that when I worked at the largest SO in the state and when I worked for a med-small metro-area dept.

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Originally Posted by BladesNBarrels

Dang, what does the pit-bull have against propane salesmen??

[Dunno]

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My mistake! I had not looked through all the postings.
What a story!

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/164649-...l-Attack-Today

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

And maybe it's just me, but in my experience a "shitbag" officer's worst enemies were other officers in my experience. The "shitbags" weren't always recognized or acknowledged by the higher-ups for what they were, but they certainly were by their peers. And their peers usually avoided them like the plague. It was like that when I worked at the largest SO in the state and when I worked for a med-small metro-area dept.

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Not just you, but don't let that get in the way of the conspiracy theory folks, who think "brothers in blue" extends to criminal and/or moral/ethical issues.

I will stick to my belief that lawyers cause most of the problems. Lawyers who make laws (legislators and judges) are the self licking ice cream. Whether intentional or not, they have produced and maintain a system that promotes a monopoly controlling greater portions of our lives.

Three years of law school and there isn't a single profession or agency they can't be in charge of. How does that happen?

Trump's biggest advantage over Hillary? He employs lawyers but isn't one himself. She, on the other hand is the epitome of the self serving lawyer.

For the two or three lawyers I've met over the years who were honest and have integrity, I'm sorry if I've hurt your feelings.