Modifying Magazines to Limit Capacity

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Originally Posted by bellavite1

If somebody has better information I would love to hear more about it

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I know this isn?t the better information you were asking about but I?m just going to toss out my two cents.

If you absolutely, positively feel you must arm yourself while in Denver but fear of having your shit confiscated or your vehicle impounded is a genuine concern for you then why not simply choose a firearm that is more socially acceptable in Denver and just be done with it?

In other words, rather than trying to interpret their bullshit laws and then jump through hoops doing silly things like modifying magazines or whatever, why not just take a decent handgun or if you insist on a long gun perhaps a nice lever action rifle or maybe a pump action shotgun?

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Originally Posted by ray1970

I know this isn?t the better information you were asking about but I?m just going to toss out my two cents.

If you absolutely, positively feel you must arm yourself while in Denver but fear of having your shit confiscated or your vehicle impounded is a genuine concern for you then why not simply choose a firearm that is more socially acceptable in Denver and just be done with it?

In other words, rather than trying to interpret their bullshit laws and then jump through hoops doing silly things like modifying magazines or whatever, why not just take a decent handgun or if you insist on a long gun perhaps a nice lever action rifle or maybe a pump action shotgun?

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Must travel through Denver Co to get to my rifle range.
Anyways, for those who may be wondering, acetone did it.
I am happy to report that Pmags are impervious to it.
The mag blocks, however, not so much...

Yay chemistry

No need to glue the floorplate in Denver from what I understand of the law. Mag block does the trick

The magic words once used, twice needed. NO Officer I Do Not Consent to a Search of My Vehicle.

If you really want to read all the views and points about the Colorado 15 round mag restriction, then I suggest reading all the filings made during the legal battle:

http://coloradoguncase.org/

Lots of good points, and how they were countered.
Also, this one document that was a brief to the Governor by the AG office had been brought to my attention:

http://coloradoguncase.org/AG-brief-PI.pdf

You have to make a point to read the notes.
The AG and the Governor were very sure they covered all the arguments and that the law left NO actual or perceived loopholes to be exploited as had happened before in other states (IE California).

Richard

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Originally Posted by APEXgunparts

If you really want to read all the views and points about the Colorado 15 round mag restriction, then I suggest reading all the filings made during the legal battle:

http://coloradoguncase.org/

Lots of good points, and how they were countered.
Also, this one document that was a brief to the Governor by the AG office had been brought to my attention:

http://coloradoguncase.org/AG-brief-PI.pdf

You have to make a point to read the notes.
The AG and the Governor were very sure they covered all the arguments and that the law left NO actual or perceived loopholes to be exploited as had happened before in other states (IE California).

Richard

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Exactly. In there it says that just because the floor plate is removable doesn't mean it's designed to be readily convertible. The mag block on its own is designed solely to limit capacity so I think it would be fine.

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Originally Posted by Will1776

No need to glue the floorplate in Denver from what I understand of the law. Mag block does the trick

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The AG-brief that APEX posted seems to answer the question.

Page 28-30 of the Brief

(3) “Designed to be readily converted”
Thus, the entire phrase “designed to be readily converted” means a magazine
that, judged by its objective features, reveals that it is typically used in a way that
is quickly, easily, and efficiently changed from accepting 15 rounds or fewer to more
than 15 rounds. Applied to specific ammunition magazines, this legal standard
easily distinguishes between those that are prohibited and those that are lawful:
• Telescoping Magazine (see Ex. C): An expandable magazine that with
the depression of a single tab, telescopes to a larger-capacity configuration
would be a “large capacity magazine” if the magazine accepted more than
15 rounds of ammunition in its telescoped state.8
• 20-Round AR-15 Magazine with Removable Limiter (see Ex. E): A
20-round magazine with a removable limiter that temporarily prevents it
from accepting more than 15 rounds is a “large capacity magazine.” This
is because the only reason to remove the limiter would be to increase the
capacity of the magazine. Judged objectively, a removable limiter is
designed to enable the magazine to be readily converted from a 15-round
to a 20-round configuration.
• 30-Round AR-15 Magazine with Permanently-Affixed Limiter (see
Ex. F): A similar limiter that has been welded or epoxied to the frame of
the 30-round magazine such that the limiter cannot be removed is not a
“large capacity magazine.” Not only is this magazine not “designed to be
readily converted to accept more than 15 rounds of ammunition”; it has
been “permanently altered” to comply with HB 1224.
• Standard Box Magazine with Removable Baseplate (see Ex. G): The
type of magazine that Plaintiffs most fear would be rendered illegal by HB
1224 is a standard magazine with a removable base plate that accepts 15
or fewer rounds. These types of magazines are not large capacity
magazines. The baseplates themselves do not enable the magazines to be
expanded, and they serve functions aside from expansion—notably, they
allow the magazine to be cleaned and repaired. To actually convert them
to higher capacity, one must purchase additional equipment or
permanently alter their operation mechanically. Unless so altered, they
are not prohibited.
• Magazine coupler (see Ex. H): A coupler that physically attaches two
magazines together (an effect that could be accomplished just as easily
with a few inches of duct tape), and “allows the user to attach two
magazines together for more efficient speed reloads,” would not create a
single large-capacity magazine. Because the second magazine must be
inserted into the firearm separately—and only after the first magazine
has been exhausted—this accessory does not convert two complying
magazines into one non-compliant magazine.

But my original question...

"Is buying parts and cutting magazines down to limit capacity legal as an individual."

I cannot find an answer in the briefs/lawsuits.


Now if APEX would sell me some parts to make 15 rounders.... :)

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Originally Posted by APEXgunparts

You have to make a point to read the notes.
The AG and the Governor were very sure they covered all the arguments and that the law left NO actual or perceived loopholes to be exploited as had happened before in other states (IE California).

Richard

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Yes.

The Governor is not aware of a magazine currently in production that telescopes
from a less-than-15-round configuration to a greater-than-15-round configuration.
HB 1224, however, was written to ensure that future innovations in the market
could not easily circumvent the 15-round limit on ammunition magazines. See
Exotic Coins, Inc. v. Beacom, 699 P.2d 930, 945 (Colo. 1985) (explaining that
although statute must define criminal offense with sufficient definiteness to give
fair warning of prohibited conduct, it must also be general enough to address
problem under varied circumstances and during changing times). Experience in
other states has shown that some retailers and purchasers will try to exploit any
actual or perceived loophole in such regulations. See Ex. D (San Francisco City
Attorney press release announcing lawsuit against importers of large-capacity
magazine “repair” kits).

It points to : https://www.sfcityattorney.org/wp-co.../Complaint.pdf



But the lawsuit is specifically about "large capacity" parts kits to essentially make large capacity magazine.

To be clear. I was asking the opposite. Parts to build 15 or less magazines.

Not all weapons have 15 round or less mags available and the only way to get them is:
1. Buy ones already converted to reduced rounds.
2. If legal, buy parts and modify them personally to less than 15 rounds.