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11-07-2018, 20:56
Bailey Guns

That's a lot of speculation you're throwing around that you've seemingly disguised as fact.

I don't believe for a second "the media made Trump win the primaries...". That doesn't even make sense. I don't disagree that most of the media thought he'd be the easiest for HRC to beat. But I think it was people who were tired of business as usual "made" Trump win the primaries. And it wasn't even close.

And who said Trump is = to Jesus? I've never seen that sort of sentiment from anyone here. I've seen a lot of pissing and moaning and whining about how rude he is, or talks too much, or he's this or that or the other thing and he tweets too much. But compare him to Jesus? No.

And BFD...so he was a democrat before. So was Reagan. Trump is governing as a pretty conservative president. Probably the most conservative in my lifetime. His presidency hasn't been perfect in my opinion. I hate the fact he jumped on the "ban bump-stocks" bandwagon...too reminiscent of a knee-jerk progressive reaction for my taste. And, yeah, he probably talks too much.

On the other hand, he does something no other conservative that's been elected or tried to get elected has ever done. He's stood up to progressive bullies and thrown their shit right back in their faces and he doesn't apologize for it. There is no way in hell ANY of the candidates he beat would've stood up to the democrats and staying in the fight like he did over the Kavanaugh thing. So for that alone I'll give him a pass on the bump-stock thing. I don't like it, I don't think it's right. But the only way I'm get a perfect president is if I get elected. So I'll live with Trump.

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ETA: Point being, say Ted Cruz won the primary. The election wouldn't have even been close, and the media/Hillary knew it. Early polls showed her at a significant disadvantage.

Newsflash. The election wasn't close as it was. I voted for Cruz in the primary. But I'm glad now that he didn't win. Cruz wouldn't have stood up to the progressive bullies to the same extent Trump has. And that's not speculation like most of your post. It's fact. All you have to do is look at Cruz' behavior as a senator. And for that matter look at how he handled Trump's swipes at him in the campaign. Cruz would've probably been a very good president. But Trump is a very good president and he's a better street brawler. It makes for a great combination when you have to deal with the likes of an extremely hostile media and a government full of progressive assholes.
11-08-2018, 09:52
Singlestack

Man, our state Republican party has been, and continues to be, absolutely worthless. I changed to Unaffiliated last year, but it really makes no difference. We are a pretty solidly blue state now - forget purple.
11-08-2018, 11:17
Bailey Guns

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

Nothing I said was speculation and you know it.

We should probably just agree to disagree.
11-08-2018, 11:40
BigBear

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

I...s it too much to ask for, IDK, an ethical, true conservative? An intelligent one? One that knows how to dodge baited questions and issues and wisely invest political capital? One that doesn't give fodder to the younger generations to shift hard left with stupidity? One that doesn't piss off 20-30% of independent voters with constant insults and grade school banter? One that can be respected in the international community, instead of being treated like the class retard that people have to "take one for the team" and entertain from time to time?...

Yes it is too much to ask for... People who met that criteria are too smart, too busy, to try to single-handedly take on a public service office like that.

I think a lot of our votes get washed out in the water from voting for third parties like the Libertarian, Constitutionalist, etc. I was looking at some numbers and if all those side parties were included in the "Republican" side, the R's would've won a lot more seats/issues.
11-08-2018, 12:08
tmckay2

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Originally Posted by BigBear

Yes it is too much to ask for... People who met that criteria are too smart, too busy, to try to single-handedly take on a public service office like that.

I think a lot of our votes get washed out in the water from voting for third parties like the Libertarian, Constitutionalist, etc. I was looking at some numbers and if all those side parties were included in the "Republican" side, the R's would've won a lot more seats/issues.

I think this is correct but Republicans have only themselves to blame. They aren't conservative in any way. They just are right of the new Democrats. People on the right are way more likely to vote for values before party whereas people on the left are the opposite.
11-08-2018, 12:19
DavieD55

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11-08-2018, 12:21
BigBear

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Originally Posted by tmckay2

I think this is correct but Republicans have only themselves to blame. They aren't conservative in any way. They just are right of the new Democrats. People on the right are way more likely to vote for values before party whereas people on the left are the opposite.

Agreed.

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I'm a teacher, and I approve this message. Have y'all read some of the new history textbooks and stuff?... WOW...

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