Bear Creek Arsenal (BCA) Raided by ICE

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Originally Posted by Joe_K

I?ve never been married to Nancy Pelosi either, but I know she?s not wife material.

Choosing to not own something because of a lack of a reputation for quality, then pointing out there is no way they aren?t cutting corners after evidence is presented pointing towards them cutting corners is the angle I?m working right now.

People who have spent a little bit of cash and own several of them, like yourself, have more skin in the game to defend them as a brand than I do. I?m guessing you probably don?t own stock in, or personally know the owners of BCA, why are you trying to prove that they aren?t trash?

Can you explain to me why a Pistol length gas system would be a good idea on a 14.5? 5.56 rifle barrel?


For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭

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I have no clue on the gas system, perhaps it was a 300 blk and typo for caliber. Have you asked them?

Regarding BCA and defending them. Until i, personally, have an issue with a product. I'm happy to run it.
My x39 upper from them has seen lots of abuse / rounds down the pipe.

I also like they do freeboies for veterans, 1-2x a year. .

Going slightly OT for a sec: I've recommended Green Mtn Barrels for a few years when people ask what's a good bbl for under $150.

Some, having never heard of them are . Ehh i'll stick to name brand. OK then i suggest a spikes bbl. They pay more for a spikes branded bbl than GM, who provides bbls to spikes.


Back OT. You've shown 1 picture with a (if not typo) valid issue. You don't own a BCA, yet run them down. Told us about your build a competent smith and a nice one, by what you said.

However, bottom line. You had an AR Built for you, not an actual off the rack Tier 1. Why? After all, if it's not Tier 1 $800-1K minimum it's crap.

Anyway. we can agree to disagree all night.

Or for another 6 or 7 replies before i hit 470 and call it a night.

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

I have no clue on the gas system, perhaps it was a 300 blk and typo for caliber. Have you asked them?

Regarding BCA and defending them. Until i, personally, have an issue with a product. I'm happy to run it.
My x39 upper from them has seen lots of abuse / rounds down the pipe.

I also like they do freeboies for veterans, 1-2x a year. .

Going slightly OT for a sec: I've recommended Green Mtn Barrels for a few years when people ask what's a good bbl for under $150.

Some, having never heard of them are . Ehh i'll stick to name brand. OK then i suggest a spikes bbl. They pay more for a spikes branded bbl than GM, who provides bbls to spikes.


Back OT. You've shown 1 picture with a (if not typo) valid issue. You don't own a BCA, yet run them down. Told us about your build a competent smith and a nice one, by what you said.

However, bottom line. You had an AR Built for you, not an actual off the rack Tier 1. Why? After all, if it's not Tier 1 $800-1K minimum it's crap.

Anyway. we can agree to disagree all night. Or

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It could be a typo. Ha everyone remembers HK?s epic fail with backwards rounds in the mag.

A company like Green Mt. or FN that provides OEM products to other companies might also offer certain products that failed basic standards for acceptance. It?s a travesty that type of thing happens, but it does. Table scrap guns and gun parts. Sometimes, due to the somewhat forgiving nature of the AR-15 towards tolerance stacking, a consumer will luck out and get a great deal on a functioning product, but it?s a gamble, a waiting game.

In regards to Tier 1 rifles.

I wish I had Hodge or Knights money. Eventually I will. I have a BCM, but I?m in no way going to say my average, decent rifle is comparable. They aren?t. They?re worlds apart. I have a factory complete rifle that I then paid a Smith to look at and the rest of the work I did myself assuming they are user level maintenance, like changing a buffer and spring, or function checking.


For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭

So in summary, BCA is selling guns to welfare mothers, old age pensioners, disabled people with fixed incomes and other poor souls. God bless them.

Most people worried about protecting themselves would be far better off with improving their shooting skills than they would be with buying/owning a "Tier 1" rifle.

And I've never even heard of BCA before this thread as far as I remember. I just think the whole "if your rifle isn't Tier 1 it just isn't worthy" thing is ridiculous. But that's my opinion.

On the other hand, I feel the same way about Dodge/Ram trucks even though I've never owned one and never will. I'd never spend my money on one of those whether a trucksmith gave it a once over or not. So maybe I'm a hypocrite.

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I have a few BCA 16” carbine gas barrels I got for the purpose of an eventual binary trigger - figured, “why trash an expensive barrel?” I threw one on a pistol and its accuracy with 55gr ammo was within same area as more expensive barrels with the same ammo. Dunno about their full builds.

Hope my more expensive AR barrels don’t feel bad about sharing safe space with a run-down, double wide living cousin.

With some of the "feelings" regarding budget, or table scrap builds . I'm asking all of us to unite in solidarity, imploring the mods to remove this section of the forum

https://www.ar-15.co/forums/143-Buyer-Intel


Knowing now a low priced, or even on sale, item may be inferior to the same or related item at a higher price. We should not have to worry about anyone, especially newer members, getting snookered in to buying a ON SALE Sig Romeo, or possibly a Glock LE trade in.

This thread needs a new title line

^^ No, just some common sense. Then again most threads could use that.

Deleted... I'll just make trouble

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Originally Posted by Joe_K

In regards to Tier 1 rifles.

I have a BCM, but I?m in no way going to say my average, decent rifle is comparable. They aren?t. They?re worlds apart. I have a factory complete rifle that I then paid a Smith to look at and the rest of the work I did myself assuming they are user level maintenance, like changing a buffer and spring, or function checking. ‬ ‭

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Just out of curiosity, is this the same rifle you had a gunsmith once over? If so, did they find anything out of spec?

We did steer this thread a bit off topic but ultimately it revolves around what a company presumably did on hiring illegals to 'cut cost'. I can tell in the industry I am in (oil/gas/energy), there a TON of illegals working for various companies. I can also tell you that just because they are illegals, they don't make less than anyone else, often times more. I personally know two of them (didn't know they were illegals up until about 4-5 months ago) and they were both well above 100K a year, probably closer to the 200K mark. Both experts in their field. I may be way off base but I don't think illegals necessarily make significant less money then others unless they are picking onions in the field; at least that has been my experience with them.

Truth be told, my seekins lower doesn't qualify as in spec with it being billet and taking propitiatory parts to complete it that obviously won't fit in a standard mil spec lower. Everyone is trying to compete in the AR market, especially with the downfall in pricing. Prices have dropped and some people have not bought into the budget world yet. Less expensive doesn't always mean less quality.