And it starts, NO shot, no entry

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Originally Posted by MrPrena

Discrimination against:

-people who cannot afford a health insurance and the cost of vaccine.
-people who are allergic to PFE, MRNA, JNJ, AZN vaccine(s).
-people who are anti-vaxxer

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Vaccine is 100% free, just saying.

Legit Lying pharmacy corporate store told me $100 not too long ago, when I ask how much it would cost for uninsured.
After reading the thread above, I did some online research. it is in fact FREE even for uninsured.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/covid...nsured-5090206

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Originally Posted by MrPrena

Legit Lying pharmacy corporate store told me $100 not too long ago, when I ask how much it would cost for uninsured.
After reading the thread above, I did some online research. it is in fact FREE even for uninsured.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/covid...nsured-5090206

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My spouse was told that by one place doing the vaccine, since her ins didn't cover X items. Then she called around and was (as i already said to her) informed it was free, for all.

https://i.imgur.com/QUucHek.png

Turd immunity?...that's some funny sheeit right there.

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Originally Posted by XJ

FoxfArt I admire your moxie, but fear that you are woefully naive :)

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Am I?

This is a single business whom asked that people who are not vaccinated stay out of his business, and who asserts his parents are "high risk". Some here say "yeah, but what if it snowballs and then it is a whole industry, so they should be sued like mastercakes... etc."

But it is in fact, just a single business, and a massive overreaction. Many argue that he should be forced to do something because of "discrimination". They want their cake, and they are going to eat it too. They employ the opposite arguments when it is LGBTQBBQ at a cake shop.

At least you can say I have a consistent opinion here. Both businesses should be able to turn away whoever the hell they want, so long as it is not in clear violation of long standing law (race, or handicap). When someone is a Christian and anti-vaccine, and they support the former discretion but not the latter, they are not any better than the worst of the progressive elite who want to pick and choose freedom that suits them. They want the christian to have discretion to turn away on the basis of religion, but anyone else, ITS DISCRIMINATION? How do people not recognize the absurdity of the inconsistency there?

Either we are consistent, and support both our own freedoms, as well as freedoms we don't agree with, or we're merely a mirrored world of the socialist left wanting to enforce our world view on the populace.

Now, some argue about airlines or what not, but that is not the subject of the link. It is not an industry pull, it is a single business.

The left pulls the same hat trick when we argue about gun control. If we are responding to an existing attack on high capacity magazines and the actual result of their legislation, they are talking about a non existent epidemic of belt fed machine guns and bazookas being bought at gun shows by felons in the mafia. Here, it is a single business, but it should be sued and he should be harassed into oblivion because of airlines? Am I the only one that sees the absurdity? There is no link, no causation, no relation, no connected risk.

Suing a business owner because he asks patrons to be vaccinated is no different than suing a business owner because he doesn't want to make cakes he disagrees with, or suing an upscale restaurant because they don't want to serve families with young kids.

TLDR: Stop trying to force our worldview on everyone or we are no better than those who are trying to do the same to us.

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Originally Posted by FoxtArt

...Am I the only one that sees the absurdity?

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Nope.

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Originally Posted by FoxtArt

Am I?

This is a single business whom asked that people who are not vaccinated stay out of his business, and who asserts his parents are "high risk". Some here say "yeah, but what if it snowballs and then it is a whole industry, so they should be sued like mastercakes... etc."

But it is in fact, just a single business, and a massive overreaction. Many argue that he should be forced to do something because of "discrimination". They want their cake, and they are going to eat it too. They employ the opposite arguments when it is LGBTQBBQ at a cake shop.

At least you can say I have a consistent opinion here. Both businesses should be able to turn away whoever the hell they want, so long as it is not in clear violation of long standing law (race, or handicap). When someone is a Christian and anti-vaccine, and they support the former discretion but not the latter, they are not any better than the worst of the progressive elite who want to pick and choose freedom that suits them. They want the christian to have discretion to turn away on the basis of religion, but anyone else, ITS DISCRIMINATION? How do people not recognize the absurdity of the inconsistency there?

Either we are consistent, and support both our own freedoms, as well as freedoms we don't agree with, or we're merely a mirrored world of the socialist left wanting to enforce our world view on the populace.

Now, some argue about airlines or what not, but that is not the subject of the link. It is not an industry pull, it is a single business.

The left pulls the same hat trick when we argue about gun control. If we are responding to an existing attack on high capacity magazines and the actual result of their legislation, they are talking about a non existent epidemic of belt fed machine guns and bazookas being bought at gun shows by felons in the mafia. Here, it is a single business, but it should be sued and he should be harassed into oblivion because of airlines? Am I the only one that sees the absurdity? There is no link, no causation, no relation, no connected risk.

Suing a business owner because he asks patrons to be vaccinated is no different than suing a business owner because he doesn't want to make cakes he disagrees with, or suing an upscale restaurant because they don't want to serve families with young kids.

TLDR: Stop trying to force our worldview on everyone or we are no better than those who are trying to do the same to us.

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Excellent, principled position.

O2

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Originally Posted by FoxtArt

TLDR: Stop trying to force our worldview on everyone or we are no better than those who are trying to do the same to us.

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Agree with your perspective here, as a Christian, I do not force my beliefs on anyone - that's up to them, they have free will. However, many conservatives believe that we have tried to play the logic and reason game for decades, only to be defeated by the Left over and over because, well, logic doesn't work. Cancel culture is wrong to me, going after businesses who decide to keep people out due to their decisions sets a bad precedence for sure. We have more lawyers in the US then most anywhere else (or so it seems). We have more laws on the books than we can possibly enforce.

We have infiltration of the government(s) in our nation, the schools, the local, national, and global corporations. I suspect the "na?ve" comment was meant in this vein, not to insult anyone, but to point out the discrepancy.

I'm all for being civil until the last minute, and I agree, if we use their tactics, we are them. But people have free will, and each of us has to approach these things in our own way. Ultimately, your statement about forcing our view is true, and as a Military Vet, I know that we defended both the flag respecting people, and those who chose to burn Old Glory because of their views. I still stand behind that perspective.

But let's face it, there are wolves out there who do not care one bit for our freedoms or our lives - we need to narrow our focus, and address those people (peacefully is the goal) in those arenas where they have infiltrated their dogma. How we do that is to smarter and wiser people than I.

And FTR, I agree with people on the position that airlines shouldn't be banding together to require vaccine "passports". I suspect their will be legal challenges if they try. I don't feel like it's the end of the world or anything quite as bad as some cast it, but it is nevertheless a unnecessary and burdensome requirement that is not justified in the risk, and cost vs. benefit, even more so if it is not coupled with peak risk. [such as requiring it only during limited, high-traffic-in-seasonal risk, like day-before-Thanksgiving/day before Christmas, which would still be a burdensome requirement, but less controlling]

IMHO the risk of serious infection to a vaccinated person is simply not significant enough to justify the inconvenience caused by a requirement for air travel. And passengers who aren't vaccinated of course, accept their own risk, and everyone who wants a vaccine will have obtained one before the next cold and flu season. I still find it baffling that official sources fail to call this a seasonal virus when it so clearly is.

This of course, is entirely off topic but just so people know my perspective is not in any way because I believe everyone should have a shot. I'll be getting mine next week *shrug* but it should remain a personal choice. Likewise, it should be a personal choice whom businesses want to turn away from their doors. Not a government mandated one (either way).

ETA: typo fix. Official sources fail to call