Hayes don't feel too targeted or anything. This subject comes up every few months. We all just say the same things to each other, and one or two more people join the majority side.
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Hayes don't feel too targeted or anything. This subject comes up every few months. We all just say the same things to each other, and one or two more people join the majority side.
Dude, it's really hard to concentrate on my response with those things... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MB888
If you dont like the sellers terms, dont buy it.
Kinda like buying a car. You might like the car and want the car, but the dealer wants to screw you on the prep fees and all that nonsense. Its just one of those things.
If you dont like it, find something else to get your blood pressure up over.
I do bills of sales with people I don't know. Referring them to the web site you completed the transaction on gives them probable cause to submit for a search warrant or subpoena and copy that web site's information. No matter how careful the LE agency is, they will see additional information on that site. Conversely, saying I sold it to this guy/gal on this day and did a bill of sale leaves me the the ability to not discuss the site at all. It's not relevant to the investigation anymore. They are simply following the lineage of the firearm, and that question was answered. Conversely, if I was selling a gun to Bear or Hoser or Charlie or Chris or Kelly, etc etc. I wouldn't do a bill of sale as I know them and could still complete the same actions. I keep the BOS in a safe, and they remain there. They are for my records and nobody elses viewing, period.
Additionally, I don't put it past any of the anti's to pull some cctv stunt in a move to try and show FTF sales as blackmarketing of firearms. That's pretty hard to do when a bill of sales is completed and someone's ID is looked at. Unless you are selling very large amounts of firearms, the ATF could not possibly show you are dealing without a license. This issue has come up with gunsmiths within the last couple of years, and I can't remember the quantities they were discussing, but I remember thinking there was very very little chance of anyone selling that amount of firearms FTF in a year, not even eerw [Tooth].
Lastly, there multiple scenarios where I could see the BOS protecting ME and quite possibly the purchaser. I sell it, someone steals it from the purchaser and then uses it in a crime and leaves it at the scene. Purchaser's FP's are on it, no discernable description of the bad-guy. Purchaser is now on the hook, and trying to explain when he bought the gun (and didn't steal it himself) and who from. "Uh, I can't remember." sucks big time in the hot seat. That's why I do a BOS copy. It's simply a record. No signatures required, no elaborate schemes involved...
So, for me its easy. When I sell something, CO ID or CCW and a BOS. If you want the same during my purchase, OK by me. You don't want a BOS and I don't know you, someone else will. I've sold really nice guns at very reasonable prices.
No reason to get your panties in a wad over this. The best part of this thread is the "full disclosure" during advertising. Then, if you don't like the terms, don't purchase. Pretty simple stuff IMO.
Always the calming rational voice....
Oh, so now I'm seeing that you won't sell to me huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by CrufflerSteve
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I was thinking the same thing. MB888, are you trying to show all of us the proper way to perform a breast self-examination?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranger
What? hang on... I am watching the movie on my avatar. I ll get back to you once its over.Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
you know its kinda funny if you put Ginsues Avatar with MB888s
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/image....ine=1280387213_________________http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/image....ine=1278220226
Kinda fits
:D
I first thought BOS was important, because my first FTF transction had BOS.
Around 1997, the seller actually offered if I wanted.
I didnt know too much.
If you really think having a BOS is important, at least have the darn paperwork all ready prior to meeting. There are tons of similar to same firearm out there.
Some seller actuallyl takes 10-15minutes to do BOS on site. Remember, if we are meeting during lunch hour, I can actually be late to work.
Where is the that old FS post with "no baggy pants"
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