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Awww crap... a good topic, 5 pages long... I am left out!
BTW Mutt, although I agree with most of your last post....
American citizens have the right to sponge off their own country, while the 'illegals' do not. Hope I am not out of context since I don't feel like reading the whole thread.Quote:
"And for every Illegal sponging off the system, there's an American citizen doing the same."
Carry on...
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Originally Posted by BigMat
YOU SIR HAVE JUST HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD [Bang]
There seems to be a lot of misapplied and erroneous comparisons about illegal immigration past and present. In number, geographic origin, language and culture, history etc. I am surprised at the illegal alien apologists here. It's quite disturbing actually.
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Originally Posted by Jumpstart
not to mention that people erroneously believe it will be the doctors and nurses doing the checks.
The Apologists think the EMT's and nurses will be doing checks. WRONG, as with any other policy, it will be the hospital administrators.
The Policy Jockeys, pencil pushers and keyboard ninjas.
no one is saying that if an illegal from any Country (I don't know why everyone assumes illegals are only from Mexico) Shows up needing Life or death care, of course they will not be turned away.
You wont have candy-strippers cuffing and stuffing illegals.
The Administration simply turns away non emergency illegals, reports emergency illegals to the proper authorities AFTER TREATMENT.
now as for those that want to kill me because their family looks hispanic, I put it to you like this.
If your family member is well enough to identify themselves,. No Problem.
If your Family Member is NOT well enough to identify themselves its still not a problem.
Its not a situation wherein they are deporting John/Jane Does...
They are reporting known illegals to respective authorities.
My point was there are lazy scum from every culture and legal status. And an able bodied American has no right to sponge off the system, essentially stealing my wealth via taxes. But that's a whole different thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB888
It's not a hospital administrator's job to check on or even care about someone's status. Maybe they have more important things to do, like administering a hospital? And do you think ICE is even going to care if an administrator calls on an illegal being treated? They don't bother to even try stopping them before they enter the country let alone after the fact. This is the federal governments responsibility and only they have the authority to do something about enforcement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
If Americans don't like the system, demand the federal government fix it. But as long as the lobbyists representing the food packing, agricultural and construction industries demand cheap labor, don't hold your breath. Your checkbooks aren't big enough to get the government's attention.
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Originally Posted by mutt
why bother having a state government then... hell by your logic why care at all? and I Completely agree that administrators NEVER verify addresses, SSNs etc...
You're right, I give up. Lets keep feeding, clothing, and paying for the criminals while they suck us dry, Kill our citizens and then take our financial assets to a foreign country.
After reading all this and gone from Patient care to Logistics over the last 30+ years my take.
Normally no one is every turned away from the ER. There are many documented cases where hospitals have used there divert function to send the non-insured elsewhere. This is all because of the bottom line. It has happened.
As far as the law they are trying to pass So far I do not see where it would affect ER patients. There are already many things that trigger a report from ER docs but I do not see this as one.
It WILL be the administrators (read bean counters) that should be reporting this. Any and all elective procedures require so much documentation on insurance and everything else that I for one do not see this as an issue.
Hospitals are suffering greater losses than ever because the pool of insured has dropped almost 30% in the last couple of years because of the job market.
Many places already have controls in place. Once you get past the stabilized state in the ER most want to know who is going to pay for the rest of it.
The ER IS where most of the money on people that cant pay is being spent. I still look at the ER as a place to go when I have an emergency. Many treat them as regular provider and go if they have a cold.
IMO the AZ bill is more of a feel good bill than anything else.
It is a sad state all around because to be honest I think the whole bloody system is broke.
So in the end not much will change. Illegal may be Illegal
but the laws in place long ago will not make the current problem go away unless you remove the population that are abusing them.
And my great father in law? that was here from Mexico City a few months ago agrees. ;)
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Originally Posted by mutt
here is the problem AZ is having. If it weren't for the federal government failing to enforce its laws due to politics and special interest groups, the state wouldn't be in this place as it is. the AZ ID checking law for law enforcement wouldn't have been a big deal, this hospital ID checking issue probably wouldn't even exist.
Several here are getting fired up over this topic, and understandably so. We all work hard for what we've got and for the freedoms we enjoy. Some of us have served for it, had or have family that have served and some given the ultimate price. Those people should be the most pissed because the illegals SHIT all over those people, this country and the values and freedoms we enjoy. they take advantage of our generosity, the programs designed to help those who most desperately need it or can not afford it.
And you are correct, a lot of immigrants from Mexico, even illegal ones are hard working and try to do the right thing. unfortunately there is a extreme disproportional amount that hide those people in the shade and cast a negative shadow against the entire lot of them.
Most have strong family values, my wife is a teacher and the Hispanic parents don't seem to care how their kids do in school but expect them to be respectful and are very supportive of her decisions and fully support her teaching since she is the teacher and they view her as a professional. A lot of american parents don't give a flying shit either way and get pissed if their kids schedule interferes with theirs.
The same goes for black communities. People generalize detroit, memphis, atlanta, new orleans as full of murderers, drug dealers, pimps, hoes, and lazy welfare suckers. While there is a disproportionate number of those relative to say salt lake city Utah or denver, there are a lot of great hard working people there who try hard, hold conservative values about working for what you want and doing the right thing.
As a whole, people need to get better, work together to improve themselves and their communities. Unfortunately, our own government is against us in this, giving away everything to score some votes. It isn't personal to them because the money doesn't come out of their pockets or hit them as hard, because the same tax dollars they are giving away for votes are the same ones used to pay their salaries, all their travel, their food, their security, and pretty much everything they enjoy.
Hell, if the Bears had gone to the super bowl, those tax dollars would have been paying for a certain someone to attend as well.
This is the main crux for me. The Feds already don't do anything. How is some hospital admin reporting to them what they already knew supposed to change anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7