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And I do apologize for the denim shorts comments. They were in jest, and I though we were all having fun.
I also wanted to say sorry for not making myself clearer in the beginning that I completely support 2A, that I support your decision to open carry, but was informing you why I wouldn't.
I also apologize for making you feel that as a cop I was TELLING you what to do rather than suggesting any and all alternatives in case you were curious
Aw see, cops can apologize! The devil will be sleeping in a cold place tonight... [ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by KevDen2005
This is an April fools Gag, right?
Okay you get the call and roll out ready for anything. (Amped a little bit because dispatch said guy with gun, I would imagine) You get on the scene and there is Joe Citizen minding his own business; open carrying. What do you do as a Law enforcement guy? Do you pull him aside talk with him; do you disarm him; is it a guns out kind of moment? What are you inside your rights to actually do in that situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by KevDen2005
Really interested to know
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Originally Posted by spyder
Thank you spyder for lightening my mood. I would like to think that I am more like people on here than what people assume cops to be like, even what I still assume cops to be like.
A man should always admit when he is wrong, and hence my apology, however I still feel it is uncalled for to call names or make such dramatic assumptions.
I am on here to have fun and apologize when necessary
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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
right?...
Guys?
Often enough. I'm used to the responses...
I'm a classical argumenter (ok, so debater or Lincoln/Douglas is more proper) I just don't see why people can't present arguments as passionately as possible without getting directly emotional.
But the internet is full of "flamers" and the like, things people would never say to someone's face get tossed around here all the time. I've always wondered what would happen if someone flipped someone off in traffic, and then immediately had their car stall out on them...
It's not anger, actually, it's more sadness. my profession has radically changed over the years. I don't like it. I am going to "out" myself here...
I'm a Kalifornia transplantee.
Worse, I moved here for a government job! At taxpayer expense!
I remember when I first moved here, I called a local PD where I lived and asked about firearms ownership laws. It was back in the late 80's. I was told that you could carry a loaded firearm in your car, as long as it was in full view, that open carry was legal and that the only time I needed a permit was if I wanted to carry concealed. At that time the biggest issuer of CCW permits was BOULDER COUNTY. yeah, who'd have thunk it?
The laws even back then in kalifornia were pretty draconian. But still, back in high school in SACRAMENTO (yeah, track me down...) I used to take my 22 to the principal's office for storage before going out to Lake Natoma to shoot rabbits after school. I'm pretty sure I illegally possessed my 22 since I wasn't 18 (didn't check the law back then) but the principal stored a few guns all the time for students who were doing things with them after school. A....... Mc.... In case you wondered about the name, he was a pretty good guy. Officer "Al" was our school resource officer, and just ten years prior my high school was the scene of National Guard tanks and APC's putting down riots after the murder of MLK.
I remember getting into a heated debate with the student body president about gun ownership, he was what I would now call a "flaming collectivist" and insisted that by the year 2000 gun ownership would be illegal in the USA. I didn't see it happening, because I wasn't an activist then and I was entirely ignorant of the real world. At some point politics took a VERY nasty turn and our rights (not just gun rights) started getting knocked down like bowling pins. There was a time when I could catch a kid doing something and take him home to momma, who'd probably spank him while I watched, with the report being a single line entry on my sheet. Nowadays I have "procedure" to "insure the rights of the juvenile" that pretty much dictates that I'm going to do a LOT of CYA to make sure I'm not sued or fired. Anyway, Roger (SB president) who planned on entering politics - said that if he had his way, my gun would be taken away from me and destroyed. Mind you, the issue was about the existence of guns, not that I should go to prison. Principal McGee snorted, laughed and told Roger to "mind his own business", that it was a constitutional right. But for all that, and all that shouted argument - we didn't think of it as being angry. What makes this even more remarkable, was that I went to an all black (except for about 10 percent) high school, I was the minority there.
I still think of my principal as a very brave man, I remember him breaking up fights and not taking a scratch - just by his presense. I could never imagine him EVER failing to express personal principle, as opposed to today's principals, or for that matter - any public employee.
Imagine that.
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Originally Posted by TDYRanger
This completely depends on the situation...
If I see guy with gun in holster while on patrol I most likely will not even contact him unless he otherwise (the key word here) is looking suspicious which could be any number of factors. In this case I might make a consensual contact and just ask him what he is up to (he is free to leave at any time) and get a sense of him. This is what I am being paid to do, and as a reminder I am not contacting merely because he has a gun.
As for a separate scenerio, guy is minding his own business and someone calls the police on him. Do I agree with soccer mom calling the police? No, I do not, however I am not allowed to make those kind of decisions. Our policy is to respond to every call for 911 or call for service, no matter what. And yes, this may depend a little on what dispatch as informed me, and I will reiterate that this information is not always accurate because the caller may be inaccurate and the way it is presented may be inaccurate. Or I may be around the corner and on scene before a ton of info may come out.
During my required contact and investigatory stop I am allowed to remove the firearm from the person being contacted. Once the contact is over I would give him the firearm back and say have a nice day (provided they weren't actually doing anything...still trying to joke I guess...). Whether I do or not will be dictated by the situation...so there is no yes everytime or no everytime.
Also, he may be doing nothing when I get there (and in this scenario that was the case the whole time) but someone who actually did something may also be nothing when I get there.
Food for thought.
Hope I don't spark any hatred...
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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
If it is you guys got me
Oh Gawd Mommy And Daddy Are Getting A Divorce!