What would you do?

I think Elhuero is spot-on. Gotta get mad and deal or forget about it.[Mad]

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Originally Posted by Elhuero

I don't mean this as an insult to you, I just evaluating the situation.

you pussed out. he is going to feed you lines of BS until rapture if you let him.

when he says "I'm not spending money", you say "stop with the BS already will ya?"

when he starts in about all is financial woes you say "ever see goodfellas? fuck you, pay me"

I can tell you from personal experience, EVERY lowlife has a sob story.

figure out how much $$ the 1/3 of the rifle is that he owns, then when he feeds you his woe is me line say, well I'll give you the $x amount of it that's yours, I get the rifle with scope and you get some dough to help with your *cough* financial problems.

after his next check when you don't see any $$, don't hear from him and can't get a hold of him, I won't say I told you so.

if he comes thru and fixes things like he said, then you can say I told you so to me if you like.

but it won't happen, I'd wager money on it.

Agreed, I would want the rifle as collateral and demand that. He is full of it.

Regarind "puss out"

As a pure exercise of thought...

Everyone has their "limit". My neighbor bashed his wife's face against a staircase, it's about the third incident where she's taken him back (after he got arrested this last time). Her "limits" are clearly NOT mine.

Everybody has their line also, the line it that they have to reach to do some particular act. My dog, for instance, has a line wherein if she does the "shake your hand" thing, she immediately feels entitled to take food off your plate - yeah, no kidding I spoil her.

We ALL see that this guy is playing a game with you, YOU see he's playing a game with you... What many may not consider is that in order to have peace in your own mind about the incident, that YOU might have a line that is much further out than that of another person.

For some, it's the utter disbelief that someone you've known for YEARS shared stories with and have personal history with, would treat you like a bitch.

Sorta like the line from Pulp Fiction:

'What does Marchellus Wallis look like?"

'Black, bald, tall ...."

"Does he look like a bitch?"

"No"

"Then why you trying to f**k him like one?"

These guys had, in their own mind, formulated a relationship that ALLOWED THEM TO MORALLY DEAL WITH THEIR ACTIONS, and had to be set straight.

Your friend has clearly constructed a similar moral framework. In it HE is the reasonable one, and you're the unreasonable one.

Look forward to actually going to court over this.

And it's not "his word vs mine" really, it isn't - the judge WILL make a determination as to who is telling him the truth. Even if he's only 51 percent convinced that your story is true, he will rule in your favor - that's the way civil law works, the standard is that a majority is required to prevail - in criminal cases a case must be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt". A judge does not have to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt as to the truth of your story, he only has to feel your story is the more believable of the two. A judge will not concoct a third version that fits what he/she thinks, he will rule solely on what is presented by both of you.

Lots of things work in your favor.

1. YOU know where you got the gun from in the first place, and that person can be a witness for you.

2. Other people who know you, have seen you with the gun, they can be a witness that you once owned the gun.

3. I must assume you have the gun's serial number, how would someone who never possessed the gun have the serial number for it?

4. If you got it from a dealer, you can ask them to give you a photocopy of the 4473. Some businesses charge for this. If they are out of business, then the ATF probably has the record - and they have it in an online database. Whatever charges you incur to get this evidence, you can get reimbursed for - just save your receipts. Have to subpoena a witness? Well, you can get reimbursed for the cost of service to that person - his costs can and will add up very quickly.

You're going to win, it is just a matter of you being pushed beyond your limits. What someone thinks of your relative "softness" or resemblance to a feline is not horribly important - the really really sad thing about all this is that it reduces the amount of trust you are willing to extend to other people.

I do think it's a symptom of our society, the "welfare" mentality that goes along with the "I deserve" thing. I don't remember anybody I know of growing up in the 70's who didn't pay back loans, I suppose they existed - but even though I was a poor kid, if someone borrowed 5 bucks, they went out of their way to pay you back. Now with credit cards and the like, the estimate is that over 60 percent of American's have debt that they cannot/will not repay - and they're so immune to the shame that it's nothing to them to do so.

time to take some kind of chill pill!!!

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Originally Posted by Elhuero

figure out how much $$ the 1/3 of the rifle is that he owns, then when he feeds you his woe is me line say, well I'll give you the $x amount of it that's yours, I get the rifle with scope and you get some dough to help with your *cough* financial problems.

I like this idea. Send him a text and empathize with him and tell him you feel for his situation and know he probably needs the money more than he needs the rifle right now and you will give him the $100 for the rifle and you can both be on your way.