Funny email from a crazy liberal

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Originally Posted by n8tive97

No one has brought up the huge expense with all the frivolous lawsuits? It's a huge roll down hill to the consumer problem as well. How do these other countries handle those?

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Frivolous lawsuits........ are in the eye of the beholder. Let me give you something to think about. If Dr's or Hospitals never had to worry about being sued for malfeasance of any sort what do you think would happen. What would happen if there was no fear of having a large suit that drained them of cash. I'll tell you, they would do a cost benefit analysis, how many people can we kill before it costs us? We could kill 30 kids this year and not worry about a lawsuit or we could spend 50K dollars to fix the faulty what ever.

It is also every Americans right to have their day in court. Are you saying that people don't have the right to sue now? If that is the case, then whats next? This could get real ugly.

As to the cost of them. They make up about .03% of the cost of healthcare a year (memory I have to look it up again). Its minuscule. But corrupt politicians like to sell that line of bullshit because it benefits the people who own them. Makes profits go up..... and they don't care about your rights or your kids living. Its business nothing more.

Back to the op. Fuck her once then leave she is crazy and is going to chop your junk off. Or die in your place leaving you holding the bag of explaining what happened to the druggy bitch.

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Originally Posted by nynco

No one should die so wallstreet can make more money. A business model should not be built on killing people to maximize profit. Its evil and immoral.

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This doesn't make any sense. Insurance company income comes from LIVE people paying premiums. Why would they want to kill the source of their money?

As for universal healthcare (which is actually just universal health insurance in any of the forms as it has been presented) ...if you want healthcare, pay for it yourself. I don't believe it's a right. It is a luxury. The only people that benefit from universal healthcare are those that can't pay it it on their own otherwise. And if they can't pay for it, then someone else is paying for them, plain and simple. Someone or something (company) foots the bill for someone who doesn't have enough money. Those with money giving it to those without, by force of regulation...this should remind you of a key phrase we have been hearing a lot...

But you say we have a moral obligation to help others in need? And bad corporations and bad people don't help others voluntarily and that's why we need universal healthcare?

Shriners Hospital for Children.

Our system is not perfect, but providing ANY universal system is not the answer.

As for the OP, I'm from WP and think you're smart for staying away from Manitou girls. Old rivalries die hard.

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Originally Posted by hollohas

This doesn't make any sense. Insurance company income comes from LIVE people paying premiums. Why would they want to kill the source of their money?

As for universal healthcare (which is actually just universal health insurance in any of the forms as it has been presented) ...if you want healthcare, pay for it yourself. I don't believe it's a right. It is a luxury. The only people that benefit from universal healthcare are those that can't pay it it on their own otherwise. And if they can't pay for it, then someone else is paying for them, plain and simple. Someone or something (company) foots the bill for someone who doesn't have enough money. Those with money giving it to those without, by force of regulation...this should remind you of a key phrase we have been hearing a lot...

But you say we have a moral obligation to help others in need? And bad corporations and bad people don't help others voluntarily and that's why we need universal healthcare?

Shriners Hospital for Children.

Our system is not perfect, but providing ANY universal system is not the answer.

As for the OP, I'm from WP and think you're smart for staying away from Manitou girls. Old rivalries die hard.

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Good point, and while we're on the subject, I think the whole "Duty to act" BS that hospital ERs have to follow, like for instance a illegal with no insurance comes into the ER to be "treated" for a cough is f***ing bulls**t! I would tell them to go to Walgreens and get some damn cough syrup and not clog up the EMERGENCY room with their petty crap just because they're not here legally and only make $.57/hr. That's what needs to be fixed. I have a friend who nearly lost his thumb and waited for almost 2 hours before being seen at the ER, and who did he have to wait behind- about 15 people who didn't speak English and when asked about insurance said "None." Is our system broken? Hell yes. Would Obamacare fix it? F*** no!
And please stop this comparing our country to other countries sh**, it's quite annoying to hear how "such and such country has a far superior healthcare system." It strikes me as almost un-American, model ours off the best of others, but let's not say who has a better system and compare America to Europe, let's remember who limits freedom more here.

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Originally Posted by Tor Larson

Germany also doesn't have 20 million illegals who are not putting anything back into the monetary system. Love the Mexican anchor babies...come to America illegally, drop a kid, and you are set for life. We have close to 30% no pay at my hospital...majority are illegals who are not paying anything into the system. Does Germany have a similar percentage that are stealing health care?

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ask a German about the illegals from Turkey and the east. And yes its relatively about the same.

I was gonna stay out of this one....oh well


Re: Crazy liberal chick- She'll be moderately interesting, probably sexually adventurous, and may be ultimately teachable. My wife USED to be a democrat, now firmly libertarian(edging towards conservative).

Re: Healthcare

This is more complicated. The system is broken in so many ways, starting with our expectations of care. Not everything is successfully treatable. People watch too much House and CSI. Doctors are not omniscient, omnipotent beings with miraculous powers, they're people. While some medical knowledge and technology have seen huge advances, a lot of what they do is still a best guess. After all it's a tremendously complex subject, and the parameters are constantly in motion. So, if a simple mistake is made, it SHOULD NOT be grounds for a monstrous lawsuit. Only in cases of gross negligence should there be any grounds for a suit. Solution #1: Remove lawyers from the initial phases of any legal action concerning the practice of medicine. Independent peer review should be the first hurdle a case has to clear before a suit is filed in court. A simple negative outcome, if reasonable best practices were followed, is not cause for a suit. Think how much health care costs could be reduced if 11% of every healthcare dollar was not going to litigation!

The cost of healthcare is grossly overinflated by a number of factors:

Government regulations that require hospitals to treat everyone, regardless of their ability to pay. Much of their resources go to treatment of ailments and injuries that could be handled more effectively in another setting(doctor's office, first aid clinic)at vastly reduced cost. Many people have conditioned themselves to use the ER as their primary care physician. I have heard of a number of incidents here in the Denver area, where the same person called 911(with "chest pain"), rode in an ambulance to the hospital, then was released after a number of tests. The kicker: they lived a couple of miles away, and rode the ambulance to the hospital so they could go GROCERY SHOPPING at the store a couple of blocks from the hospital.

Insurance companies: motivated by shareholders, not the quality of healthcare. Insurance companies do not make money by paying claims. My father is a pediatrician (for the last 55 years or so), and the hoops that the insurance companies have set up make it necessary for him to employ 2 people full time, just to ensure he gets paid an average of 60% of the actual billed services, 90 to 120 days after they are rendered. These are the same insurance companies that underwrite his malpractice insurance to the tune of about $70k a year. Add to that their huge overhead and administrative costs, and it becomes easy to see why decent health insurance is prohibitively expensive. I pay almost 3K a year for insurance I hardly ever use, mostly because I don't seek medical aid for things that don't require it, but I maintain it because if I DO need significant medical care, it would bankrupt me and my family otherwise. My coverage sucks, BTW.

.gov: Encourages growth of the Medicare and Medicaid systems by allowing massive fraud and waste. The government disburses hundreds of billions of dollars on these programs, and a significant portion of that money is going to mythical companies to provide imaginary products and services to ethereal patients, and when the criminals are caught(as rarely as I step in unicorn poop), they are seldom prosecuted. In addition the government has created a gigantic bureaucracy devoted to regulating every facet healthcare.

I could go on and on about this, but the bottom line is that the only way that healthcare can be anything close to universal is to streamline the entire system. The first step is tort law reform, as the cost of litigation has created an avalanche effect in insurance company practices, hospitals and doctors playing CYA and performing unnecessary tests, and a host of government regulations to be complied with.

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Originally Posted by hollohas

This doesn't make any sense. Insurance company income comes from LIVE people paying premiums. Why would they want to kill the source of their money?

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That would be wrong. That would be what you think should happen or hope. But that is never the case. Insurance companies prime motive is to make profit. Not provide the best care and sometimes the best way to make profit is to let you die. If you are a healthy male age 24 and you get into a car accident. You can be sure as shit that there is an insurance actuary crunching numbers to see if they pay for your life saving care will they ever recoup that money in your lifetime. They also factor in whether you would even stay with the company for a lifetime. Your medical bill is for example 1 million dollars total or projected to be. I have seen it before. Its not that hard to do. That insurance company crunched the numbers and realized over the next 50 years that you will only ever pay in 200,000 total in premiums and you have only paid in 20K total in your whole life. You are a money loss. No matter what you or they do, they will never make up the cost. The more they deny care, the more they protect their profits.

When the motive is profit, quality healthcare is a distant last priority. Seen it many times.

Same scenario could happen to your little girl.

Same scenario could happen to your 58 year old mother.


Insurance companies look at numbers and if it costs them too much money, they deny you care. Based on pure profit motive alone.



And due to our insane system we have now, the second you try to use the free market to get a better one........ bam you have a preexisting condition. Sorry, no one will insure you now. Hope your child does not suffer for too long before she dies.

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Originally Posted by Tor Larson

Recent estimates put number of illegals in Germany at 1 million. Population of Germany is 82 million.

Illegals in the US is over 20 million and our population is 300 million. So, if my math is correct we have 5 times as many illegals as Deutchland.

You also gotta figure in productivity. A fair amount of illegals in Germany are highly educated with high tech or medical training from some other country. Can you say that about our illegals?

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Our illegals are educated with high tech training... if you look at from a 3rd world perspective- laying flagstones and brick/mortar is very high tech, if you live in Afghanistan! [ROFL1]
And I don't think Germany has an influx of illegals at nearly the same rate as us. Also I don't think Turkish immigrants are crossing into Germany with Turkish Army issued weapons.... I'm just saying.

Why we should treat everyone.............

Guy walks into a hospital with a cough. In your world the hospital turns him away. Sorry guy with cough, you can't pay, GTFO. Guy with cough (GWC) goes back onto the streets meets you, your wife, your children and you all are in an elevator (or where ever does not really matter) he goes into a coughing fit. HACK HACK HACK...he just can't stop. You and your wife and kids including your 2 month old child, get off the elevator early because you think its nasty.
As you get out you shout - "Why don't you get yourself checked out by a Dr? ya nasty jerk"
GWC replies through his coughing - "I tried........ but they denied me care because I could not pay for it, sorry about my cough."

About a week later your wife, your kid and your child all get a fever. You think thats odd.... you even go to the Dr. He tells you, you have the flu. You all get bed rest. But then you all start to cough and cough and cough. Your Dr does not understand why. But soon enough a month later after coughing so much they finally see on an Xray why you are coughing.

Congratulations......... you and the rest of your family now have Tuberculosis (TB) Not just any TB but the strains that are very strong.

Dr's try to treat your family. But your child is the first to die. Babies immune systems are just not strong enough for that. Your baby dies drowning in her own blood in her lungs from TB lesions.

Your other child........ she fights for a while but after a year and so many medical bills. All the while your insurance company is denying care... with you on the phone every day trying to keep them paying the bills to keep her alive. Well, the insurance company stopped paying and the hospital kicks her out. She dies at home. She might have lived through it. But hey, insurance company has got to make a profit and you could not pay your bills.

Your wife. Well she is like the walking dead. She hacks all the time but the Drs think she will live.

You on the other hand are a broken man with both kids dead way before their time.



All this could have been prevented had you treated the original guy who could not pay who had TB in its early stages.

A society where only money matters and only those who can pay deserve healthcare is a sick society. A society whose sickness will spread....... just like TB.

Cough cough

Would healthcare have helped the original guy with TB?