Don't vote for Gary Johnson

We have a man in office whose signature piece of legislation is a quasi socilization of the healthcare system. Running against him is a man who wants to repeal that legislation....and institute his own "beyter " quasi socialist healthcare system. Does everyone not notice the hypocrisy?

Presidents do not create jobs with the exception to white house staff. Job creation is not the job of a democratic republican government. That is a job of communist governments. Our governments job is to create a stable and safe environment for businesses to spawn and prosper. Dumping money into a system to spur onomic activity actually destabilizes the value of the currency, which is a cornerstone of a stablend safe environment. The alternative R plan which will never pass because of the Ds) is to. balance the budget by 2040. Thats another 27 years accumulating debt of more than 1 trillion a year (which will balloon as our government keeps creating money. .this t rain needs to stop...not "slow down slowly", before the currency has to be debased so that our debt can be "paid". The loser is us, regardless of party elected. Faster with the D party, but its probably better for it to happen while im in my 30s than in my 50's. I might have a chance to reacquire some savings.

The way i see it, this "most important election ever" has been relegated to "least t important election ever by the choices presented. Probably the most important election ever was over 100 years ago, and the trickle down has led us here.

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Originally Posted by Goodburbon

We have a man in office whose signature piece of legislation is a quasi socilization of the healthcare system. Running against him is a man who wants to repeal that legislation....and institute his own "beyter " quasi socialist healthcare system. Does everyone not notice the hypocrisy?

Presidents do not create jobs with the exception to white house staff. Job creation is not the job of a democratic republican government. That is a job of communist governments. Our governments job is to create a stable and safe environment for businesses to spawn and prosper. Dumping money into a system to spur onomic activity actually destabilizes the value of the currency, which is a cornerstone of a stablend safe environment. The alternative R plan which will never pass because of the Ds) is to. balance the budget by 2040. Thats another 27 years accumulating debt of more than 1 trillion a year (which will balloon as our government keeps creating money. .this t rain needs to stop...not "slow down slowly", before the currency has to be debased so that our debt can be "paid". The loser is us, regardless of party elected. Faster with the D party, but its probably better for it to happen while im in my 30s than in my 50's. I might have a chance to reacquire some savings.

The way i see it, this "most important election ever" has been relegated to "least t important election ever by the choices presented. Probably the most important election ever was over 100 years ago, and the trickle down has led us here.

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Sources on these?

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Originally Posted by Goodburbon

Presidents do not create jobs with the exception to white house staff. Job creation is not the job of a democratic republican government. That is a job of communist governments. Our governments job is to create a stable and safe environment for businesses to spawn and prosper.

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While Calvin Coolidge may have said, "After all, the chief business of the American people is business", and Will Rogers said,
“The business of government is to keep the government out of business - that is, unless business needs government aid”,

"The business of government is business" isn't a basis for our government. At least, I can't find it in the Constitution:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

I would say the solution (or a gigantic leap to the solution) is to keep government as local as possible. Local government is more responsive and responsible to the people.

In other words, if our country functioned the way it was set up, we wouldn't be in this mess. It drives me insane when I get blank looks from people after I say things like federalism and rule of law.

ETA: The problem is how do we get there. It won't happen quickly. Government responsibilities will have to slowly be transferred from the federal to state level until all the federal government does is what is enumerated in Article 1.

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The problem with this. The state .gov is so glued to the .fed teat as is every entitlement mouth it will never release it's teeth off it.

Personally I do not care who YOU VOTE FOR.
I am unable to allow (hoping my vote counts) the last 4 years to continue another 4.
SCOTUS appointments, 1 possibly 2 will set back gun ownership. It will open the flood gates more then they are now with ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
It will allow the .gov to release ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS currently held in military detainment. They will also allow civilian trials for TERRORIST. Call them what you want, hide your head in the sand or live in DENIAL. They are TERRORIST, who's goal is to bring this country to it's knee. Where it will be that much easier to remove it's head.
Don't believe it, look at what the DOJ wanted to do regarding a civil trial in of all places NYC, for a terrorist.
Forget about the appeasement that has happened to date. 4 more years, FUCK might as well get ready to rock now.

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

Sources on these?

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Sources?

Um let's see.

Romney : " I will repeal and replace Obamacare" re: just about every stump speech I've seen televised. Here's one from the convention

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tePDipdNRk8

Is healthcare the business of government? No. So why repeal and "replace"? This makes no sense. There is already a safety network called medicare/medicaid, that is ballooning beyond anyone's imagination due to the proliferation of a lack of personal responsibility in our society.

Furthermore in that little clip he says he's going to "protect the sanctity of marriage". What does that mean? Ban gay marriage at a federal level? The government is now in the business of telling people who they can legally love and spend the rest of their lives with? Didn't see that power granted to the Federal Government in the Constitution when I read it.



Ryan's budget balancing act?


Look anywhere. A quick search resulted this:


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...0812-ryan.html

Though that is largely irrelevant, since the democrats have voiced that they wouldn't allow something so "radical" to pass. The actual date of a "balanced budget" will much likely not occur before a debasing of the currency. Vote for Romney though, because a vote for anyone else could allow Obama to win and it would destroy this country.

The country is already beyond saving when half of us demand that the budget not even be balanced, in less than 50 years. That's over 60 years straight of deficit spending, at an exponentially accelerating pace as the interest service on that debt swells. It is unsustainable and will come crashing down before the asshats in Washington can ever come together to rein in our (yes it's OUR) spending. They can't even pass a single year's budget. So ladies and gentlemen this is the LEAST important election ever. At least vote for freedom.

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Originally Posted by jim

The problem with this. The state .gov is so glued to the .fed teat as is every entitlement mouth it will never release it's teeth off it.

Personally I do not care who YOU VOTE FOR.
I am unable to allow (hoping my vote counts) the last 4 years to continue another 4.
SCOTUS appointments, 1 possibly 2 will set back gun ownership. It will open the flood gates more then they are now with ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
It will allow the .gov to release ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS currently held in military detainment. They will also allow civilian trials for TERRORIST. Call them what you want, hide your head in the sand or live in DENIAL. They are TERRORIST, who's goal is to bring this country to it's knee. Where it will be that much easier to remove it's head.
Don't believe it, look at what the DOJ wanted to do regarding a civil trial in of all places NYC, for a terrorist.
Forget about the appeasement that has happened to date. 4 more years, FUCK might as well get ready to rock now.

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A citizen of the United States is entitled to their day in court and don't you ever forget it! The pendulum can swing even further than it already has and YOU can be labeled as a 'TERRORIST' or a 'POLITICAL PRISONER' depending on who is in charge of the labeling. I would much rather see those US citizens with foreign interests in mind get their day in court than I would US citizens with their countries best interests in mind NOT get theirs.

Non-US citizens being accused of crimes in the US can burn. Let our military sort them out.

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Originally Posted by Goodburbon

Sources?

Um let's see.

Romney : " I will repeal and replace Obamacare" re: just about every stump speech I've seen televised. Here's one from the convention

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tePDipdNRk8

Is healthcare the business of government? No. So why repeal and "replace"? This makes no sense. There is already a safety network called medicare/medicaid, that is ballooning beyond anyone's imagination due to the proliferation of a lack of personal responsibility in our society.

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Ahhh actually the idea is to reduce socialist programs and anything that doesnt make common financial since. Romney is a dollars and cents sort of guy, half of the government programs out there right now will come under review, and if it does not meet the criteria, be reformed or axed completely. Might want to inform yourself before you spout leftist drivel.

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Originally Posted by Goodburbon

Furthermore in that little clip he says he's going to "protect the sanctity of marriage". What does that mean? Ban gay marriage at a federal level? The government is now in the business of telling people who they can legally love and spend the rest of their lives with? Didn't see that power granted to the Federal Government in the Constitution when I read it.

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I dont see anything in the Constitution about marriage period, so I would interpret his statements to mean that he will not support any legislation in either direction.

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Originally Posted by Goodburbon

Ryan's budget balancing act?


Look anywhere. A quick search resulted this:


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...0812-ryan.html

Though that is largely irrelevant, since the democrats have voiced that they wouldn't allow something so "radical" to pass. The actual date of a "balanced budget" will much likely not occur before a debasing of the currency. Vote for Romney though, because a vote for anyone else could allow Obama to win and it would destroy this country.

The country is already beyond saving when half of us demand that the budget not even be balanced, in less than 50 years. That's over 60 years straight of deficit spending, at an exponentially accelerating pace as the interest service on that debt swells. It is unsustainable and will come crashing down before the asshats in Washington can ever come together to rein in our (yes it's OUR) spending. They can't even pass a single year's budget. So ladies and gentlemen this is the LEAST important election ever. At least vote for freedom.

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What kool-aid are you drinking???

Romney will push for a balanced budget the first year in office, unlike the current administration which has never even turned one in! Again, Romney understand finance, banking, and commerce on a level that Obaloney and Johnson simply do not. And he has top-shelf advisors, not political cronies, to install as his cabinet who can and will get things done. Balancing the budget is easy, its getting out of this debt that Obaloney has put us in thats the real issue, and that will likely really take 40 years.

Lets face facts- Libertarians will do more harm than good. Johnson can not balance the budget or reduce debt because he does not have anything like a realistic approach to do so. We are hiring a man to do a job. You do not have to agree with him on everything but its time to take off your rose colored glasses and take a long hard look at reality. Romney is the man for the job. Yeah I used to think he was a candy ass and while I supported him I had doubts as to whether he could get shit done, but I have changed my opinion and think he is the exact right guy for the job. 4 years of at least a balanced budget and possibly some deficit reduction is a metric assload better than either of the alternatives, and its time you third party jokers realized it.

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Originally Posted by jhood001

A citizen of the United States is entitled to their day in court and don't you ever forget it! The pendulum can swing even further than it already has and YOU can be labeled as a 'TERRORIST' or a 'POLITICAL PRISONER' depending on who is in charge of the labeling. I would much rather see those US citizens with foreign interests in mind get their day in court than I would US citizens with their countries best interests in mind NOT get theirs.

Non-US citizens being accused of crimes in the US can burn. Let our military sort them out.

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This frightens me to death! I'm entitled to a fair and speedy trial by the Constitution, however, if I'm labeled a terrorist (I'm a veteran after all)- all bets are off... So you are right with the labeling. [Peep]

Rome is burning [BooHoo] No saving the U.S. as long as you have a Central Bank[Bang]

Personally I am for doing away with all party's, except the ones with beer of course. [Beer] You are elected by the people to serve the people that elected you not the party that you represent. The congressional voting of party lines instead of voting for the people that elected you in the state you represent is torro poopoo. This is how we got obama care among other atrocities. Just my opinion playing the [Muaha] advocate. .