Is Manning worth it?

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Originally Posted by waxthis

Unless Tebow will settle as a back up RB or TE, his time in the NFL is done.

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I appreciate Tebow's confidence but he needs to realize his place and how he can contribute at this level. I don't see it happening.

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Originally Posted by Dingo

Peyton Manning seems like an all around good guy, an excellent QB, and a good leader. That said, I'm in the crowd that says he's a bad, short-sighted investment. I think too many professional sports teams look only to the immediate season - often times firing integral people mid-season etc. Tebow was raw and unpolished, true. But he had years more of potential in him, and he's never been in the lead-seat long enough to really establish himself. He had the work ethic and the attitude to keep plugging away until he became a really brilliant QB. Manning may come with a stellar skillset, but he's going to err on the side of caution every time when faced with a possible exacerbating neck injury in a play. Not his fault - just human self-preservation instinct. It's the fault of management for trading away what I believe was a better long-term investment, for a year or two of star-power.

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So Manning retires after two more seasons, you think we're screwed? Hmm, funny, I would like to think Osweiler could learn some valuable things from Peyton... And I think Brock vs Timmy, I'd take Brock. Tebow isn't Jesus, he isn't some divine being, and he is certainly not an NFL caliber QB.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

So Manning retires after two more seasons, you think we're screwed? Hmm, funny, I would like to think Osweiler could learn some valuable things from Peyton... And I think Brock vs Timmy, I'd take Brock. Tebow isn't Jesus, he isn't some divine being, and he is certainly not an NFL caliber QB.

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The problem with thinking that the 8 foot tall quaterteback is going to learn from Manning and be better for it is what's happened to Painter and Sorgei, Mannings backups in Indy. One is third string somewhere and the other is out of the league. Sure, Osweiler can learn some from Manning but he better have the smarts and physical abilities to do something with his new found knowledge.

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Originally Posted by lowspeed_highdrag

What are the bad decisions that you think mar Elways tenure as manager?

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Honestly? Manning. Don't get me wrong.. Manning is a star QB but the question remains, for how long? Minnesota has been playing this game for years, lets pick up a QB that only has a couple years at best left in him to try to get instant results. It always ends the same way, you get a fairly decent year or two but never quite make it, then you get the year with the final injury or they just can't play anymore and that ends it all. In the mean time there is no plan for succession and you start the process all over looking for the next star to save you.

The Broncos need to seriously look for the next franchise QB, not the guy that is going to get them to the playoffs right now. That thinking only goes so far. How long have the Patriots been at the top? Broncos under Manning will never achieve that. Broncos with a fresh new QB might. As far as I know I see no signs that this isn't even on the horizon at the moment.

Oh yeah, the OLine that made Tebow run all last year is still just as bad. Manning got beat up this year, probably not something he was used to.

Another issue, Fox doesn't know how to coach his players or bend his plan to take advantage of a players abilities. Tebow (good or bad) is a prime example. Tebow is a running QB, Fox was tried his hardest to form Tebow into his idea of an offense rather than modify the offense to take advantage. This is proven by the increase in his performance at the end of games when things down and the plan was finally thrown out the door. A good coach would have been able to exploit the few things that Tebow could do and build the game plan around those things. Fox should have been running a high tempo no huddle offense with Tebow, under pressure is where he excelled.

I have a feeling if we won on Sat, and were having this conversation in March after the Broncos won the SB, def90 wouldn't be saying anything. Just sayin'.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

I have a feeling if we won on Sat, and were having this conversation in March after the Broncos won the SB, def90 wouldn't be saying anything. Just sayin'.

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IF by some miracle we had won on Saturday.. we would have simply moved this conversation to next monday.. No chance they would make it to the SB after how they played vs the Ravens.

Threads like this are hilarious. People who know jack squat about football talking about how much better they could do with a professional football team. What's next, you going to call for Plummer to get reinstated? Please.

Denver as a PHENOMENAL team and $18mil in cap space next season. They need to shore up a couple places and will have a strong draw to the team now with #18 onboard and proving that he's healthy. People couldn't jump out of this ship fast enough when Tebow was the starting QB so let's not glamorize what 'Tebow did for us' like it was anything. Did Tebow go 13-3? Did Tebow finish #1 in the AFC?

If you want to compare apples to apples Manning basically won the first round of the the playoffs too. Then they damn near won in the 2nd round and that is WAY more than I can say for what Tebow did in the 2nd round.

I was disappointed in the game... but not in the season. Lots of blame to go around that last game: Bailey, Moore, Fox, and yes... even Manning. No one person was ultimately responsible for that loss... that loss was a team effort. But I do believe that Manning makes the entire team better in the grand scheme of things and is totally worth the cost.