Reddit: "Police Officers: If ordered, would you confiscate firearms from law abiding citizens?"

Heinrich Himmler turned the regular police forces into an instruments of terror and used ruthless and cruel methods throughout Germany arresting political opponents and others who refused to obey laws and policies of the Nazi regime.

I'm sure none of the Schutzstaffel woke up one day and decided to execute 15 million people. They were just following orders

Byte has a good thread here about what will "they" say about you when your dead.

When the time comes, I would guess that 75% of the people voluntarily "give up their arms" when the orders come, 23% will hide their guns and hope their never found out (or turn in "some" and hide the rest) and 2 % will be executed in no knock raids as terrorists and said to be a threat to homeland security (or something like that)...maybe it will be that they had received a call of a disturbance and the homeowner opened fire and was killed


Now I'm also not saying that 100% of cops will go out and do the government's dirty work... But most will, many will be neutral and "pretend to play the game" with the department, and a VERY small minority will refuse, and even fewer of those will "take up arms" against the tyranny

I had a feeling this thread was not going to go well 6 pages ago when it popped up....[Pop]

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Originally Posted by JoeT

Heinrich Himmler turned the regular police forces into an instruments of terror and used ruthless and cruel methods throughout Germany arresting political opponents and others who refused to obey laws and policies of the Nazi regime.

I'm sure none of the Schutzstaffel woke up one day and decided to execute 15 million people. They were just following orders

Byte has a good thread here about what will "they" say about you when your dead.

When the time comes, I would guess that 75% of the people voluntarily "give up their arms" when the orders come, 23% will hide their guns and hope their never found out (or turn is "some" and his the rest) and 2 % will be executed in no knock raids as terrorists and said to be a threat to homeland security (or something like that)...maybe it will be that they had received a call of a disturbance and the homeowner opened fire and was killed


Now I'm also not saying that 100% of cops will go out and do the government's dirty work... But most will, many will be neutral and "play the game" with the department and a VERY small minority will refuse, and even fewer of those will "take up arms" against the tyranny

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+1 ^^^^^ Smart guy!

I can only get ganged up on so much before I just say this is just too much... and well, this is just too much. Look I was just trying to say every LEO I've talked to said they wouldn't support or enforce any confiscation... you guys take this off on all kinds of "what ifs" and out of control tangents. I don't know everything, I don't know what laws are okay and not okay to enforce in regard to individual department policy in regards to the Constitution, and I don't know what my friends' every, little position is on the Constitutionality and enforcement of current firearms legislation. And frankly, I don't understand why you guys have to keep doing this- pick the most asinine argument you can and just go for it. Seriously, some of these situations are along the same lines of a Piers Morgan argument. And 10mm- I don't appreciate the sarcastic and crude patronizing here, I'm not trying to be supercop or anything, forgive me for wanting to do something in that area.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

And 10mm- I don't appreciate the sarcastic and crude patronizing here, I'm not trying to be supercop or anything, forgive me for wanting to do something in that area.

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Your right, my bad.......... Good luck to ya! [Beer]

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

I can only get ganged up on so much before I just say this is just too much... and well, this is just too much. .

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Guessing LEO will eventually say the same about "not confiscating"... Considering you want to be LEO and all.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

I can only get ganged up on so much before I just say this is just too much... and well, this is just too much. Look I was just trying to say every LEO I've talked to said they wouldn't support or enforce any confiscation... you guys take this off on all kinds of "what ifs" and out of control tangents. I don't know everything, I don't know what laws are okay and not okay to enforce in regard to individual department policy in regards to the Constitution, and I don't know what my friends' every, little position is on the Constitutionality and enforcement of current firearms legislation. And frankly, I don't understand why you guys have to keep doing this- pick the most asinine argument you can and just go for it. Seriously, some of these situations are along the same lines of a Piers Morgan argument. And 10mm- I don't appreciate the sarcastic and crude patronizing here, I'm not trying to be supercop or anything, forgive me for wanting to do something in that area.

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You began your argument with an accusation that people posting in this thread are high and lack common sense. Disagree all you want, but knocking that shit off may help your case next time.. [Wink] [gohome]

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

I have this bucket of magnesium and aluminum shavings sitting next to a bucket of REALLY Rusty bolts....

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Really? And here I am with some mercury and nitric acid sitting over a small container of ethanol. What was I thinking.....

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Look I was just trying to say every LEO I've talked to said they wouldn't support or enforce any confiscation... .

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Okay. Now that we know what you were trying to say, let's revisit what you did say. And more importantly, how you said it -

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Are you all high!? EVERY SINGLE LEO I've talked to has stated that they're not going to enforce any gun confiscation efforts. The one I took my class with on Sat, who works for Commerce City PD, said everyone in his department, from Patrol officers, to supervisors, to the deputy chief (no word from the chief) all are not going to participate in any gun round-up. This talk of "a paycheck will keep them in line," is BS. If every single cop in a department refuses to go out and take guns away from people what are they going to do? Fire them all? Yeah right. Think of it this way- your boss just told you to increase the risk in your job by 500%, meaning you will most likely get shot at or killed... would you really do it? Some jurisdictions I know are too busy with just day to day calls, much less have the time to go door to door. [Shake] I can't believe the lack of common fricken sense going on in here...

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History tells us that people will go against their better judgement and current morals if the pressure is great enough, or if enough of the populace is moving in a particular direction. JoeT had solid points. While you may believe that Germany was filled with evil people during the reign of Nazism, the reality is that they were no different than us. They were sold a lie regarding their immediate neighbors and the Jews living amongst them. Just like a lie is being sold right now about how gun owners are evil.

People will look the other way on things when they are the minority. They'll completely march in that other way-ardly direction if their livelihoods, safety, and family are threatened. Not all... But most. That is the point the others are trying to make to you in this thread. Sorry if you see it as posters ganging up on you.

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Originally Posted by bogie

You began your argument with an accusation that people posting in this thread are high and lack common sense. Disagree all you want, but knocking that shit off may help your case next time.. [Wink] [gohome]

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False. Inquiry is not accusation. [Beer]