So Beck rips into Colorado today.....

I don't think the OP was ragging on anybody. In my experience, those two groups of people, especially the gay rights activists, are part of the larger progressive movement. The way they go about trying to get what they want is all wrong, and shows a complete ignorance of our system of government and liberty as a whole. Of course not all of them are part of the progressive movement, but it seems like a large majority are.

To answer your first question, Jer, no I would not expect them to back us. They are content asking their government for permission to do what they want, when, if they weren't liberal, progressive, whatever, they would tell the government to fuck off. Instead, they ask for permission, and whine when they don't get their way. Why would we want them on our side? Now if they were liberty-oriented in their arguments, I think they would get a lot more backing from true conservatives and libertarians or anybody else that loves liberty.

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

I don't think the OP was ragging on anybody. In my experience, those two groups of people, especially the gay rights activists, are part of the larger progressive movement. The way they go about trying to get what they want is all wrong, and shows a complete ignorance of our system of government and liberty as a whole. Of course not all of them are part of the progressive movement, but it seems like a large majority are.

To answer your first question, Jer, no I would not expect them to back us. They are content asking their government for permission to do what they want, when, if they weren't liberal, progressive, whatever, they would tell the government to fuck off. Instead, they ask for permission, and whine when they don't get their way. Why would we want them on our side? Now if they were liberty-oriented in their arguments, I think they would get a lot more backing from true conservatives and libertarians or anybody else that loves liberty.

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Well said... I do have to say- and I guess you can call this a harsh criticism of "those people"- but they do seem rather hypocritical. Let me explain... First they want fair and equal treatment, an extension of marital rights granted to them (or recognized), and to peaceably enjoy the liberty to live their lives like anyone else. HOWEVER, many of these people are in the camp that wishes to restrict and severely limit OUR rights... So they want all their rights, but want to aid in taking away ours? No. I can't respect someone like that.

Again as stated there was no inference of denigrating or throwing any group(s) under the bus.
The man asked the question how Colorado became the way it is.
I view the 2 examples noted as symptoms of the overall issue. I could care less what somebody does in the privacy of their abode.
But when I am told I must accept these activities as "normal" even though one is illegal and the other goes against my moral values, all the while those that demand I must accept these things attempt to infringe upon my freedoms- I take great exception to that.

How did Colorado become what we have now?
Our moral compass is seriously out of calibration.

I sent the email to GB's producer, Stu yesterday.

I have heard nothing as yet.....

I'm with most others on this one, I agree whole-heartedly with the OP and the content of his letter all the way up to the gay and pot smoking bit. What makes you think that some of those gays and pot smokers arent also gun owners and shooters? I personally know more than a few gays and pot smokers (although niether myself) who do more shooting, own more guns, and have more than several thousand's of hours spent into training on using their weapons. The statement "These people Unfortunately have the same right to vote as you and I" is a stupid and baseless comment. Of course "These People" have the same right to vote as you and I, They are American citizens just like you and I, They are not illegal aliens they were born here and bleed red, white, and blue just like you and I why should their lifestyle persuasion be any reason to ostracize them?

but to end on a good note, it was an outstanding letter with many valid points which outlined what is happening, not only in the country but also in Colorado specifically. +1 overall in my opinion.

I took the "unfortunately they have the same right to vote as you and I" not as a statement that they should not have the right to vote, but that when they do vote, they vote for tyranny. Just my $0.02.

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I'm with most others on this one, I agree whole-heartedly with the OP and the content of his letter all the way up to the gay and pot smoking bit. What makes you think that some of those gays and pot smokers arent also gun owners and shooters? I personally know more than a few gays and pot smokers (although niether myself) who do more shooting, own more guns, and have more than several thousand's of hours spent into training on using their weapons. The statement "These people Unfortunately have the same right to vote as you and I" is a stupid and baseless comment. Of course "These People" have the same right to vote as you and I, They are American citizens just like you and I, They are not illegal aliens they were born here and bleed red, white, and blue just like you and I why should their lifestyle persuasion be any reason to ostracize them?

but to end on a good note, it was an outstanding letter with many valid points which outlined what is happening, not only in the country but also in Colorado specifically. +1 overall in my opinion.

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Exactly. The two replies after my last one could just as easily be said by someone who supports gay rights or MJ legalization about our cause but the people saying it don't see that and think their cause is SO much different. I've seen MANY argue from a liberty stand point but I guess since you don't agree with subject matter you choose not to see that There are MANY on our side that fight for 2A rights while fighting to take their rights so how is it different again? How are these two rebuttals not incredibly hypocritical? Try to see things with an open mind.

I do see things with an open mind. I disagree with asking the government for permission to do something that you are rightfully allowed to do just by virtue of being alive.

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I took the "unfortunately they have the same right to vote as you and I" not as a statement that they should not have the right to vote, but that when they do vote, they vote for tyranny. Just my $0.02.

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I don't think that gays, women and potsmokers are voting for tyranny. They're voting for their rights. Unfortunately, the party that supports gun rights and other individual freedoms isn't the party that supports gay rights, women's rights or a sensible drug policy. Change that, and you change the world.

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I do see things with an open mind. I disagree with asking the government for permission to do something that you are rightfully allowed to do just by virtue of being alive.

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I agree. It's distasteful that they have to. Like most people here, most people over there abide by the law, and only the .gov can change the law that violates their rights.

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I don't think that gays, women and potsmokers are voting for tyranny. They're voting for their rights. Unfortunately, the party that supports gun rights and other individual freedoms isn't the party that supports gay rights, women's rights or a sensible drug policy. Change that, and you change the world.

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Of course not all of them are, but why should anyone have to vote for their right to do anything? Again, it's the mindset that many have that they want the government to give them the right to do something, when in reality they already have that right by virtue of being alive. Why ask the government for something that you already posess? Because they don't understand liberty.