Open Discussion of all Things Electric Vehicle (aka EV) for Those Pro or Con, BE RESPECTFUL!

I'm not going to buy a EV until I can easily change a battery using a pallet jack. I want a quick change battery option. I want a battery on standby just in case. If there is anything I learned about batteries, they eventually die. I also want the battery standardized. Proprietary battery is bullshit. Same battery should fit other vehicles. Make the vehicle consumer friendly. Keep it simple stupid. It would be nice if the spare battery could be used to power the house too.

I want to be able to go to a battery store and buy a battery for it. Plug n' play.

Whoever makes EV's extremely consumer friendly, will corner the market.

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Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy

I'm not going to buy a EV until I can easily change a battery using a pallet jack. I want a quick change battery option. I want a battery on standby just in case. If there is anything I learned about batteries, they eventually die. I also want the battery standardized. Proprietary battery is bullshit. Same battery should fit other vehicles. Make the vehicle consumer friendly. Keep it simple stupid. It would be nice if the spare battery could be used to power the house too.

I want to be able to go to a battery store and buy a battery for it. Plug n' play.

Whoever makes EV's extremely consumer friendly, will corner the market.

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Why are the standards for EV adoption by some not even remotely close to what they currently have with ICE vehicles? How many different power plant options are available in ICE vehicle? One or one million? Can you change out an engine using only a pallet jack? Can you easily power your home with the power source from your ICE vehicle?

I just don't understand the double standard by some when discussing the adoption of EVs. "I'll buy an EV when it can process my taxes, clean the pool and take me to moon in 10 minutes for $3 round-trip."

While some of your points are valid (Tesla actually created their battery pack to be hot-swapped in like 15-minutes and even had a test facility in CA where you could pull up and swap out a fully charged pack to avoid waiting for charging. The problem was nobody wanted to pay even $50 when Supercharging was free and that was back when charge times were MUCH slower. Today there's even less of a reason for this based on consumer feedback) others are just pie-in-the-sky requirements.

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Originally Posted by Jer

Why are the standards for EV adoption by some not even remotely close to what they currently have with ICE vehicles? How many different power plant options are available in ICE vehicle? One or one million? Can you change out an engine using only a pallet jack? Can you easily power your home with the power source from your ICE vehicle?

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To be fair, he wasn't asking for uniformity in propulsion system. He was asking for uniformity in "fuel." I have 4 cars, 4 motorcycles, 3 lawnmowers, a snow thrower, a pressure washer, a standby generator, etc. They all have vastly different engines, but can all burn the same fuel. This fuel is universally available. I do my best to use the top half of the tanks on all of these items and keep a hundred gallons or so on my property in case traditional sources of fuel are temporarily unavailable.

If things really get desperate, I can pick one road-going vehicle and siphon fuel from the other vehicles to sustain myself beyond my normal 100 gallon reserve tank. I'm not beholden to any particular manufacturer for my source of fuel. I'm pretty sure this is what BushMasterBoy was referring to. Seemed obvious to me. I can't believe it wasn't obvious to anyone reading his comments. I don't believe being pedantic helps your cause.

All this being said, I'd love to have an EV. I just can't make the numbers work. Even though I tend to be a gadget freak and an early adopter, this leap is just a bit too far for me. A friend recently bought a Model 3 and let me demo it for a day. Really cool, but it'd be a toy... an extravagance. Believe me, I've got toys and I certainly have more than what is necessary to sustain life, but a daily driver car just isn't an area where I feel a need to splurge. The average age of my cars is 2004 with the newest being a 2012. The average accumulated miles is 124,000. My motorcycles are even older than the cars... 1997.

I really want to invent something and get Jer to shill it for me. I have never in my life seen anyone who gets more enthusiastic and adamant he is right about something ever. Tacoma, crossfit, mowing lawns, I cant remember all of it.

I think people on this forum argue with Jer because he comes across as a paid shill. Then even though he says keep it civil, every conversation is "im right, you are wrong, why are you against me"

Who cares if the other people dont like what you like? If you are an early adopter of EV and it works for you, that is great.

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

I really want to invent something and get Jer to shill it for me. I have never in my life seen anyone who gets more enthusiastic and adamant he is right about something ever. Tacoma, crossfit, mowing lawns, I cant remember all of it.

I think people on this forum argue with Jer because he comes across as a paid shill. Then even though he says keep it civil, every conversation is "im right, you are wrong, why are you against me"

Who cares if the other people dont like what you like? If you are an early adopter of EV and it works for you, that is great.

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I hope he works as hard on his full time job :). He's gotta be a valuable member of his team and go-getter for his employer.

I wonder if we are going to see drilling for lithium bearing brine? I know a few hot springs in the Arkansas River valley that are fairly rich in lithium. The Dakota hot springs, the water is just allowed to run back into the Arkansas River. As it evaporates it leaves a chalky looking residue. The last Pueblo West board meeting I was at, they stated the water in the aquifer under the land they own is unusable due to radionuclides and mineral content. I wonder if it contains lithium?

https://www.mindat.org/loc-6118.html


https://www.ornl.gov/news/ornl-devel...thermal-brines

Religion is a sensitive subject. Let's keep it respectful.

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

I really want to invent something and get Jer to shill it for me. I have never in my life seen anyone who gets more enthusiastic and adamant he is right about something ever. Tacoma, crossfit, mowing lawns, I cant remember all of it.

I think people on this forum argue with Jer because he comes across as a paid shill. Then even though he says keep it civil, every conversation is "im right, you are wrong, why are you against me"

Who cares if the other people dont like what you like? If you are an early adopter of EV and it works for you, that is great.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTgGVzV5gPg

My first EV will be one of these!

https://www.cubcadet.com/en_US/ridin...-riding-mowers

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Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy

I wonder if we are going to see drilling for lithium bearing brine? I know a few hot springs in the Arkansas River valley that are fairly rich in lithium. The Dakota hot springs, the water is just allowed to run back into the Arkansas River. As it evaporates it leaves a chalky looking residue. The last Pueblo West board meeting I was at, they stated the water in the aquifer under the land they own is unusable due to radionuclides and mineral content. I wonder if it contains lithium?

https://www.mindat.org/loc-6118.html

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I've been by the big Lithium mine in Nevada (near the town of Silver Peak.) It's quite a complex. I've heard there is a second Lithium mine being planned for an area North of Winnemucca and not far from the Black Rock Desert. https://insideclimatenews.org/news/0...icles-climate/


https://www.ornl.gov/news/ornl-devel...thermal-brines

I changed my mind...I'm getting a jet ski instead!

https://taigamotors.ca/watercraft/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhCLVsQasPA&t=2s

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

I really want to invent something and get Jer to shill it for me. I have never in my life seen anyone who gets more enthusiastic and adamant he is right about something ever. Tacoma, crossfit, mowing lawns, I cant remember all of it.

I think people on this forum argue with Jer because he comes across as a paid shill. Then even though he says keep it civil, every conversation is "im right, you are wrong, why are you against me"

Who cares if the other people dont like what you like? If you are an early adopter of EV and it works for you, that is great.

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Who says I care what people don't like simply because I want to dispute misinformation and have a mutually respectful conversation on a topic? The only thing I'm interested in is that people stop parroting misinformation as fact as it pertains to this topic.

That makes me a shill? I've said multiple times now I don't care if you or anyone else wants to buy a Tesla or any other EV for that matter. That's not the point and it never was. I've been clear about that from the beginning. Hell, I've even pointed out negatives and short comings along the way. If you think an EV is or isn't for you, I only care that you're arriving at that decision based on actual facts instead of based on some made up BS or outdated info that others (who don't know what they're talking about) continue presenting as current fact.

It all reminds me of all the old farts in the 80's talking about how dangerous cruise control was. You'd think we'd be wiped out as a species if half of the shit they said was true actually was. Now it's just "the way" despite their resistance to change.

All of these unwarranted personal attacks of me aren't constructive in the least either but whatever makes you feel good about your life I guess.

I think its funny, no matter what, you can turn it around as You are never the problem. You are always condescending, you are always right. Only your fact matter. Only your opinion is right.

I know you will immediately respond to this and once again turn it around that I am wrong and you are right. I have watched your posts here for years. It is ALWAYS the same thing with you.

deny, deflect, turn it around.

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Originally Posted by Jer

Who says I care what people don't like simply because I want to dispute misinformation and have a mutually respectful conversation on a topic? The only thing I'm interested in is that people stop parroting misinformation as fact as it pertains to this topic.

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You're $%^& high.

I stated a few times why ev's do not work for me. Yet here you are acting like a democrat , saying those who disagree with you are parroting misinformation.



Imagine, IF you really didn't care what people like. This would have been maybe a 1-2 pg, tops thread.

FFS jer grow up, grow a spine and most of all. RESPECT those who for whatever reason DO NOT LIKE OR CARE ABOUT Buying / owning an EV.


I'm actually disappointed, for all your pimping of the Tacoma. You've turned your back on a sensible all around ICE ride. In favor of an EV. Or was that crossfit?

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