That would be a jurisdictional issue. The mayor is not subordinate to anyone in matters involving his/her city alone.
What you're describing sounds more like real martial law.
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That would be a jurisdictional issue. The mayor is not subordinate to anyone in matters involving his/her city alone.
What you're describing sounds more like real martial law.
Thus a possibility in an EoW/SHTF/overreach scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Yes they were asked to stay home, but they shut down public transporation, from the eye witness reports to the comments made by those in the situation it sounded like they were scared of everything going on, including the law enforcement presence. What if people decided to go about their business, how much response would have gone down?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
The presence in the two videos that were posted here with people video taping door to door searches in their beighborhood is what got me. I should clarify it wasnt offical Martial Law, but the strong arm of the "Militaristic" presence really did it for me. Some of the guys there were not even FBI or local LEO, they were ATF. A little overreaching and over bearing................
Im more on the side that some form of martial law was insituted... i am very uncomfortable that they can shut down all transportation, and communications.. (yes "all" means cell phones, I realize internet was up)..
Do you guys have a plan if you and your spouse are seperated when the nice man with the officers standing behind him asks very politely for you to stay in your house? (yes you sensed sarcasm there lol).. have a plan for when this happens and your kids are at daycare? food for thought......
The press didn't seem to have any trouble communicating. Otherwise you and I wouldn't have seen everything "live". I thought the cell phones were only shut down the day of the bombing...could be wrong. But I personally know people here who were communicating with relatives in Boston via cell phones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad4000
And see my post above about the nice man with guns telling us to leave (as opposed to stay inside) my home. We didn't. Nothing happened.
OK, sure. You win. I guess in an EoW/SHTF/overreach scenario a lot of things might happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by losttrail
The Castle Rock members tried out our radios the other night and they seem to work. Not fool proof but nice to know that some of us could stay in touch.
If the request was in fact issued at 4am, I would bet that at least 90% of the population in the area were at home. So did they force the other 10% to stay where they were, or were they allowed to get home to their family?
Someone asked what the request accomplished, and I say it allowed them to ultimately find him without any further deaths or injuries. What if none of the transit were shut down? Maybe he gets a taxi, kills the driver and gets out of town. Or maybe he gets into the mess that is mass commuting in the downtown area and gets out, or worse, is recognized and starts shooting.
You guys talk about Alex Jones' tinfoil crap, but this seems right out of his textbook. The "good guys" probably got together and asked what would be the worst case and how can we alleviate that? The answer was shut down escape methods and get people out of the way. Big deal. This was a far stretch from even Katrina.
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
well of course the press can communicate. thats where I heard that cells were shut off that day. (if you know otherwise, then I could be wrong, but i did hear that on the news). and I dont think it takes the biggest stretch of all time to go from "asking" nicely to asking not so nicely.... Boston turned out perfectly... but it was going to anyway. it always does. we caught the bad guy, the end. of course a happy ending had to follow what was going on there... again, it has nothing to do with the cops. theyre doing their job, and they do it to perfection. but, it certainly shows what exactly could happen. remember, most folks are talking long term here. is martial law coming to denver for no reason? nope... but could it come 3 years from now when some crazy with a "fully automatic assualt military rifle with a fold up stock thingy and grenade launcher bayonet" goes postal on a town with "cop killer street sweeper magazines"? I think so.....
think about this same exact situation, but instead of bomb, he used an AR and he gets away. now they are going door to door looking for something we all have.....
Yeah, we have ARs. Legally owned ARs. Plenty of crimes have been committed with ARs and other guns and I've never heard of the police going door-to-door to confiscate guns.
And I'm not necessarily sticking up for the police or city/state gov't here. And I don't think the police did their jobs to perfection. If they had, they wouldn't have overlooked the suspect in area previously searched. I'm just not ready to see a big, bad boogie man in this incident.
Wanna talk about massive gov't overreach? Let's talk Waco or Ruby Ridge or Katrina. I'll be all ears. But I'm not going to make bad guys or bad things out of a situation where they really don't exist (overall...not individually).