Target asks customers to leave firearms at home

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Originally Posted by Gman

Ridge, are you afraid of guns in general, only guns that you don't personally own, or only guns that you can see in the open? Is it the format of the firearm in your presence that bothers you?

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Gman, are you so insecure in yourself that you have to make personal attacks against other people who don't share the exact same philosophies as yourself?

They're serious questions. You seem to be judging based on appearances. If those open carrying were wearing MLP garb, would you feel differently about them? If they were wearing the same shooting club T-shirt as you, would you be less concerned?

If you were in a room with 20 other people and you heard that someone was carrying concealed, would your reaction be to leave?

I just don't understand why we expect to have 2A rights, but we distrust others so easily.

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Originally Posted by Gman

They're serious questions. You seem to be judging based on appearances. If those open carrying were wearing MLP garb, would you feel differently about them? If they were wearing the same shooting club T-shirt as you, would you be less concerned?

If you were in a room with 20 other people and you heard that someone was carrying concealed, would your reaction be to leave?

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You weren't talking to me, but I'm very selective on who I shoot with. There are people in my family that I don't want to shoot with, even after being asked. I make those decisions based on my knowledge of their decision making skills. When it comes to strangers, I am automatically weary of them in general, even more with guns. When someone is open carrying a rifle some where just for the shit of it, they might as well have kicked the door open and yelled, "I regularly make poor decisions!" while holding the rifle over their head.

So you're saying it's the format of the arm that's the issue for you.

The OC activists have changed their tactics, but we seem to cling to past examples.

MDAGSA could care less. They'll divide and conquer until you'll be clinging to your 'freedoms' in your darkened basement.

The more I think about it, yes it is the format. Similar to how anti-abortion activists are only going to piss me off by showing up at my kid's school with giant posters of bloody aborted fetuses.

Similarly, many people seem to quietly agree that it is stupid to have the drinking age be 21, when you can be enlisted at 18. How well do you think the campaign to change that law would go if 18-20 year-old soldiers started organizing to drink at retail stores across the nation? You know, just to desensitize the public and make them aware that 18-20 year-olds can be safely consume alcohol.

Image is everything to a crowd and these guys were not dressed for success.

I'm going to be a jerk here and say it... These guys all look like shit. I wouldn't stand behind anything they were trying to represent.

If you are gong out to make some statement at least pick something better than those outfits...

long white socks and shorts... AND a ponytail sporting oversized washed out t-shirt!? oh my...

these guys all look like the high school rejects who used to loiter at the mall... walking back and forth between the arcade and Hot Topic...

this is might have played out differently if these guys were the authoritative, muscular, collar wearing type instead of the awkward skinny or overweight 10yr old hand-me-down camo shorts type...

also- the rifles sloppily carried like man-purses...

this is all seems like a Dem plant to me...

either way- it's all a little over the top.

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Originally Posted by Ridge

Gman, are you so insecure in yourself that you have to make personal attacks against other people who don't share the exact same philosophies as yourself?

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Pot meet kettle.

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Originally Posted by cstone

Whistler made the point that many of us in Colorado don't really get. In Texas, the only firearms permitted to be openly carried are long guns. Legally, a citizen may carry an AK or a Mosin but may not legally open carry a handgun. I understand the point of the open carry demonstrations in Texas were to point out the absurdity of the current open carry laws in Texas.

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That's how I understand what they goal was as well. As I've said elsewhere, If you want to hold a political demonstration choose a street, a park or better yet the steps of the capitol. Unless the business is specifically involved with that issue don't drag em into it.
Note in the picture the guy with the flag also has a handgun.

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Originally Posted by Whistler

Second Amendment supporters are not an insignificant market sector and have the potential to make our opinion more financially compelling to for-profit organizations. What they (we) lack is MDA's type of organization and commitment to the cause by their members despite internal bickering (as well as a certain moral/honest flexibility). Just one example might be the internal disagreement over Open Carry activist tactics that for some reason seems to excuse the fact that a public company just informed us our business was not welcome. If every 2A supporter would simply rise above the petty internal disagreements and come together to stop patronizing businesses that express the preference to cater to a special interest while excluding ours, I assure you the bottom line would quickly reflect the wisdom their "choice". I don't hold much hope most self-proclaimed supporters of gun rights will do much more than complain to one another however. Grass roots? Hell we can't even organize a BBQ...

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Simply taking your business elsewhere is not enough. An organized letter writing campaign is also needed. A simple drop in sales is just that to the corporate heads, could be caused by anything. A drop in sales in conjunction with hundreds of thousands of letters including shopping receipts of your purchases made at Target competitors rather than Target makes a statement.

Simple boycotts are a waste of time without the dual cause and effect corellation.

sent from a soup can and some string..

Def90 gets it.