HaHa! Von Miller loses Phil Long dealerships!

Not showing respect isn't the same as disrespect. Not standing isn't necessarily disrespectful. It's what you do while not standing that defines respect. That's everyone's right. And the kicker is you don't have to like it, in fact I would that's the point.

But here's the rub, it doesn't' matter at all. Events like these are the perfect thing to really unite this country. We could come together and Really try to UNDERSTAND one another, but no we'd rather just call everyone that doesn't agree with us names. Racist, trumptard, snowflake, liberal, deplorable, etc... It perpetuates this us vs. them mentality that is the definition of division. Neither side is right neither is necessarily wrong. Until we stop the silly names, our unwillingness to listen to one another, and the general bafoonary (looking at you twitter), everything, everything will further drive that wedge.

For me, it's all about intent. If you're burning the flag with reverence because that's the approved method of disposal per the US Flag Code, good on you. If you're burning it in order to piss off patriots by showing out-and-out disrespect ... you're a grade A punk. If you take a knee or bow your head while sitting on the bench to thank God (or whatever Deity you worship) or to show respect for those who have sacrificed so you could be where you are, good on you. If you're doing it in some political protest just because you get a bigger splash by making a controversy on camera then again, you're a grade A punk. They can protest by not playing, not drawing a paycheck. They could give a portion of their paycheck (or all of it!) to the causes they espouse (disregarding the fact that so much of it is based on misinformation and distortions). You can't tell me most of these NFL players couldn't give away half their paycheck for a season and still live very comfortably.

If you don't understand why this is disturbing on many levels for a whole lot of people, perhaps you should open up a textbook on Civics. I know, I know, they don't teach it anymore -- find a textbook from 40-50 years ago when it was still taught, real US history from the Colonial period to the Civil War hasn't changed much despite attempts from the Left to rewrite it.

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I'm starting to think the goal of this is to turn the Flag and anthem into signs of "racism". That anyone that waves those proudly will be shunned and called a racist. Just another step in the erasing of American pride and values. Get rid of country pride and you can pretty much do what you want.

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You should go to YouTube and search "Yuri Bezmenov" and watch some of his interviews from the early 80s ... he was a KGB analyst that defected to the west and he explains how the Soviets used Cultural Marxism and Critical Theory to collapse entire nations ... then see how far the plan has got here in the US (even after the KGB that was controlling it died off and its running on its own now like a runaway train).

Here's one of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnkULuWFDg

The fundamental changing of the country continues. And the sheep are OK with it. In a few years they're gonna want to know what happened. You bought into the BS...That's what happened.

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What kind of moral equivalency bullshit is this? You could either salute the flag and show respect for those that gave you the freedom, or you could tie the flag in knots and stuff it up your ass. They're both freedom, right?

This is the same kind of BS I run into with pacifists. They are free to consume the liberty gained and defended by those willing to fight, but they want to crap on anyone that's willing to fight.

If these jackasses in the NFL had to go out and fight for their survival, they sure wouldn't have much energy to play a game, would they? It's because of the sacrifices that others have made that they have the opportunity to show how much they care about a perceived injustice with an action that does absolutely nothing to solve the problem. The people that have sacrificed to make this the greatest country on the planet, that millions would risk their lives to have an opportunity to succeed in, have nothing to do with the disrespect coming from the NFL.

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Like these vets?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/veterans-kn...ry?id=50075609
http://www.newsweek.com/john-mccain-...players-671787

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Like these vets?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/veterans-kn...ry?id=50075609
http://www.newsweek.com/john-mccain-...players-671787

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Yeah, like "vets" are a homogenous group of a single mindset. You'll find exceptions in any group.

I don't think anyone is saying they don't have a right to kneel. They also don't avoid the consequences of doing so, and they'll notice the backlash when it hits them in the wallet.

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Events like these are the perfect thing to really unite this country. We could come together and Really try to UNDERSTAND one another, but no we'd rather just call everyone that doesn't agree with us names. Racist, trumptard, snowflake, liberal, deplorable, etc... It perpetuates this us vs. them mentality that is the definition of division. Neither side is right neither is necessarily wrong. Until we stop the silly names, our unwillingness to listen to one another, and the general bafoonary (looking at you twitter), everything, everything will further drive that wedge.

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Well said.

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But here's the rub, it doesn't' matter at all. Events like these are the perfect thing to really unite this country. We could come together and Really try to UNDERSTAND one another...

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See, I thought events like FOOTBALL GAMES were the perfect things to united people. People of all races, backgrounds, class, etc. were able to all come together and forget about politics while sharing something in common while either playing or watching. It was inherently uniting.

Athletes of all races can compete on an equal footing with anyone else and be celebrated for their accomplishments, not their skin.

Fans could come together and celebrate their team. Fans of all class and background could high five and hug each other while wearing nothing but body paint, without ever questioning the other's political affiliation.

Football games (and other sports) have always been a brief distraction to the divisions that are ever present in our world. Competition of all sorts has always served that role. Nothing else matters, just skill. Not politics, not race, not religion, not nationality...

Until now. Now, one of the few places left where people could spend a few hours not arguing about politics or race has been pulled right into the bullshit.

There are fewer and fewer things that people can celebrate in common together, and even become friends with a stranger for a few hours, without politics mucking it up. And now there is one less because football (and the knellers are spreading to other sports) has now put politics at the forefront. It's a damn shame.

It's a damn shame.


Yep.