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I couldn't agree more with the statement about "political correctness" just being a fancy term for lying.
Why do people have to go to the extremes of either side though? It's like people are either being "politically correct", or acting like Sniper7 and directly blaming Obama for this event. Give me a break.
The huffington post? Checking out the dark side are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sturtle
I just googled for the list and that was the first one I found.
Huffington Post. Evil, they are. - Yoda 1984
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Originally Posted by Sturtle
where did I blame obama for this incident?
I blame the army, I blame the feds for not doing something. I mentioned obama could have put his hand down and said to be "politically correct" and not target muslims in the military.
Now you see the direct result of the political correctness.
I think it is time for you to question the world around you a bit more.
Why is it all the libtards could blame Bush for everything yet you defend obama when he is blamed for something?
are you drinking the obama coolaid?[Pepsi]
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Originally Posted by sniper7
Maybe you should clarify then, because this sounds an awful lot like you're suggesting that Obama could have influenced this event.
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Originally Posted by Sturtle
how do YOU KNOW that he didn't? how do you know that one of his aides who follow his same policies said: "we don't want the publicity to pull an open muslim from the military and receive the backlash" how do you know obama himself didn't put out the word the leave the guy be since he would be deployed in no time? how do YOU know?
obviously somebody had to step in and tell the feds no. if there wasn't some kind of intervention, the feds would have been all over this guy for making threats, communicating with terrorists, making terrorist comments etc. etc.
and when Obama says don't be so quick to come to conclusions...I get a feeling there is something deeper. Look at all the evidence now against the guy.
don't be afraid to say that something is a little fucked up with this situation and this guy should have been questioned, had all of his computers and files gone through and pulled out of the position of power he was in. we are supposed to have national security but we have terrorists that infiltrate our own military. something is wrong with that.
There are virtually hundreds of definitions of terrorism and terrorist. There are so many that to be able to define the actions of a single person as terrorism is a very sticky proposal. This isn't political correctness, this is prudence. Over reacting to the actions of a lone shooter's motives could lead to the wrongful persecution of thousands of loyal US citizens in our military ranks. The backlash from this would be infinately worse than the lone gunman's actions, and seed the beginning of further actions within out boarders.
Hasan's actions do meet the definition of Islamic Radicalism and there is tons of evidence he was influenced by and preparing to act upon these beliefs, but there is little to no current evidence he was acting as a part of an organized cell. Without that evidence, it is very difficult to categorize his acts as terrorism.
Hindsight has shown there were lots of indicators Hasan was going to act violently in one way or another before the shootings. There were multiple failings to identify him as a potential threat, and the Army's CI and CID Agents are going to have to figure out why they failed to identify Hasan as a military member turning to Radical Islam beliefs. They are going to have to learn from this tragedy. Unfortunately, this is the nature of counterintelligence and counterterrorism, you only hear about the failures and very rarely see the successes. Success in countering threats results in nothing happening. It's hard to prove success, because nothing happened.
Be very careful cruxifying anyone but Hasan for these acts. Nothing you say or do can be worse than the flagellation the Agents are going through right now or the fear other loyal military Muslims are going through right now.
Do you really think that the Feds require that much hand holding? They just reported today that the Feds looked into this guy almost one year ago and decided that they didn't think he was a threat.
Do you honestly think that the FBI sits around waiting for Obama to tell them how to do their job? Obama never has any idea what is going on with anything, I would be surprised and eat my humble pie if he had ever heard this guys name before he shot people.
First, I would like to apologise for the inflamatory bullshit I posted the other day when I stated essentially that Islam is synomous with terrorism.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA Friday
I understand that there are many, many decent patriotic muslims serving our country and living peacefully here in the US.
I was pissed off and angry because a close friend of mine is currently stationed at Ft. Hood awaiting deployment yet again. Thank God, he was not among the injured or killed.
My being angry is not an excuse for blaming all Muslims for the acts of a very small percentage of extremists who do not represent Islam as a whole.
To anyone who I may have offended with my statements the other day, I sincerely apologise...